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Date:   Sat, 22 Feb 2020 10:58:40 -0600
From:   Bjorn Helgaas <helgaas@kernel.org>
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Subject: Re: Issues with "PCI/LINK: Report degraded links via link bandwidth
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On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 04:10:08PM -0600, Bjorn Helgaas wrote:
> I think we have a problem with link bandwidth change notifications
> (see https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/tree/drivers/pci/pcie/bw_notification.c).
> 
> Here's a recent bug report where Jan reported "_tons_" of these
> notifications on an nvme device:
> https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=206197

AFAICT, this thread petered out with no resolution.

If the bandwidth change notifications are important to somebody,
please speak up, preferably with a patch that makes the notifications
disabled by default and adds a parameter to enable them (or some other
strategy that makes sense).

I think these are potentially useful, so I don't really want to just
revert them, but if nobody thinks these are important enough to fix,
that's a possibility.

> There was similar discussion involving GPU drivers at
> https://lore.kernel.org/r/20190429185611.121751-2-helgaas@kernel.org
> 
> The current solution is the CONFIG_PCIE_BW config option, which
> disables the messages completely.  That option defaults to "off" (no
> messages), but even so, I think it's a little problematic.
> 
> Users are not really in a position to figure out whether it's safe to
> enable.  All they can do is experiment and see whether it works with
> their current mix of devices and drivers.
> 
> I don't think it's currently useful for distros because it's a
> compile-time switch, and distros cannot predict what system configs
> will be used, so I don't think they can enable it.
> 
> Does anybody have proposals for making it smarter about distinguishing
> real problems from intentional power management, or maybe interfaces
> drivers could use to tell us when we should ignore bandwidth changes?
> 
> Bjorn