Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1030285AbWBNBE7 (ORCPT ); Mon, 13 Feb 2006 20:04:59 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1030328AbWBNBE7 (ORCPT ); Mon, 13 Feb 2006 20:04:59 -0500 Received: from host.atlantavirtual.com ([209.239.35.47]:18622 "EHLO host.atlantavirtual.com") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1030285AbWBNBE6 (ORCPT ); Mon, 13 Feb 2006 20:04:58 -0500 Subject: Re: CD writing in future Linux (stirring up a hornets' nest) From: kernel Reply-To: kernel@crazytrain.com To: Joerg Schilling Cc: jerome.lacoste@gmail.com, dhazelton@enter.net, peter.read@gmail.com, mj@ucw.cz, matthias.andree@gmx.de, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, jim@why.dont.jablowme.net, jengelh@linux01.gwdg.de In-Reply-To: <43F08D45.nailKUSE1SA4H@burner> References: <20060208162828.GA17534@voodoo> <43EC8F22.nailISDL17DJF@burner> <5a2cf1f60602100738r465dd996m2ddc8ef18bf1b716@mail.gmail.com> <200602092241.29294.dhazelton@enter.net> <43F08D45.nailKUSE1SA4H@burner> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1139879123.3697.16.camel@crazytrain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 20:05:23 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 2798 Lines: 76 On Mon, 2006-02-13 at 08:44, Joerg Schilling wrote: > Any patch that > > - does not break things > Good. Makes sense. Acceptable. > - fits into the spirit of the currnt implementation > Bad. Subject to the gate keeper's ideas, whims, and personal agenda. > - offers useful new features > Good. Makes sense. Acceptable. > - conforms to coding style standards > Good. Makes sense. Acceptable. > - does not need more time to integrate than I would need to > write this from scratch Good. Makes sense. Acceptable. To sum, all technical and acceptable points *except* for one. And of course, this one is the one that has kept this thread (in various forms) going for what seems like *years*. Do you know what's really scary? The normal users, the managers, the technical users, etc. who've read LKML and have read this thread (either in its entirety or partial) (such as myself and my colleagues) who suddenly pucker when they feel that the fate of writing to CD media in Linux is in the hands of *one* person. And this one person projects the identity of the angry child in the schoolyard who would grab his toys and walk away to play by himself if everyone else playing the same game didn't do what he said, when he said, how he said. People looking into Linux, perhaps considering investing in it, read this thread and think "Wow, they can't even get together on CD burning!" (Simplified, I know.) This is one impression given in this most recent thread pertaining to this topic. I cannot believe that somewhere on this planet other developers don't band together to write something equally as good or better to end this current nonsense *and* to prevent future hassles with this current implementation of this program and the developer. (No, I don't code, but in instances like this I wish I did.) I see this thread and I just keep thinking "Couldn't have it all been solved by now? How many lines in this thread versus how many lines of code would it take?" Please, talented developers, look into writing a similar program that does fit with the current and planned Linux way and remove reliance on this unbending individual. It's a big world. I've seen other projects start small and gain momentum and grow. Y'all are no stranger to this same phenomenon. Certainly there are other coders and testers willing to assist in this project. And BTW, wouldn't the ultimate salute to Jorg be to never have to endure another LKML thread like this one because Linux users are using another bit of code? regards, -fd - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/