Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S932168AbWBOUfR (ORCPT ); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 15:35:17 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S932173AbWBOUfR (ORCPT ); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 15:35:17 -0500 Received: from hobbit.corpit.ru ([81.13.94.6]:11617 "EHLO hobbit.corpit.ru") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S932168AbWBOUfP (ORCPT ); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 15:35:15 -0500 Message-ID: <43F39089.2050302@tls.msk.ru> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 23:35:21 +0300 From: Michael Tokarev Organization: Telecom Service, JSC User-Agent: Debian Thunderbird 1.0.2 (X11/20051002) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Linux-kernel Subject: readahead logic and I/O errors Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 3491 Lines: 83 The thing is: I just fired a cdrom drive in my PC. It was a good device, and now it's dead. And the reason is the readahead logic, plus an unreadable (damaged, scratched) CD-rom. By default, linux enables read-ahead for all block devices (I can't be certain about "all", but it's true for hard disks, cd-roms and floppies at least). And when a read request comes to the device, according to readahead logic, linux tries to get more data from the drive than requested. Now, one of blocks requested to be read can't be read due to whatever condition. It happens on removable media, it's a normal (sort of, anyway) condition. Looks like I had many unreadable blocks on that CD. And, instead of obvious (in my view anyway) thing to do, namely, to STOP readahead operation and return only whatever data which was requested by an application (it was just `cp') after FIRST I/O error, linux continued trying reading-ahead, discovering more and more failed blocks, as dmesg said. And finally, after about 100 blocks failed in a row, the drive fired. I wasn't able to stop the process - `cp' was in D state sitting in one read() syscall thus unkillable. Umount didn't work (obviously). Only one option left was to reboot/poweroff the system, which I was finally forced to do.. but too late. I don't understand the logic in ll_rw_blk.c (the file is quite large), but my guessing is that initially, the read request was one for several blocks, but when it failed, linux continued trying to get next block, next-to-next block and so on - hence all consequtive failed block numbers in dmesg, ie, it split original large request into several smaller chunks, failing each in turn. Even if I'm wrong here and it originally made "short" reads, the question remains: Why linux tries to continue readahead operation after I/O errors, instead of just dropping the reads, and repeat them WHEN ACTUALLY NEEDED? `cp' will stop after first failed read(), so only one bad sector will be tried, instead of numerous, finally firing the drive? When setting readahead to 0, the same CD can be read up to the first error, and will fail correctly. The same happens with floppy as well - exactly the same thing. I especially damaged a floppy disk (I still have several here), just to verify - after ~15 minutes of waiting while it will finish it's readahead nonsense, I become bored and finally rebooted the system. So, to sum: current linux behaviour (similar since 2.4 -- at least I remember seeing something like that, repeated attempts to read something from a bad drive, -- up to current 2.6.15) is that it's trivial to kill the system just by inserting a cd-rom or floppy with some unreadable sectors. Worse, it's possible to FIRE the system this way (with certain drives anyway), as just happened here (I understand, maybe, after some more waiting, when it will try all 128 or 256 more sectors, it WILL finally do something useful again and stop retrying, but eg on this my drive, each read attempt took about 30 sec, retrying several times by its own, so total time is umm.. quite large, and there's nothing one can do with it but to poweroff the PC). From my point of view, it's a serious bug (even if not counting my dead CD drive). Thanks. /mjt - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/