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From:   Paul Moore <paul@paul-moore.com>
Date:   Wed, 18 Mar 2020 17:47:47 -0400
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Subject: Re: [PATCH ghak90 V8 07/16] audit: add contid support for signalling
 the audit daemon
To:     Richard Guy Briggs <rgb@redhat.com>
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On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 5:42 PM Richard Guy Briggs <rgb@redhat.com> wrote:
> On 2020-03-18 17:01, Paul Moore wrote:
> > On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 3:23 PM Richard Guy Briggs <rgb@redhat.com> wrote:
> > > On 2020-03-13 12:42, Paul Moore wrote:
> >
> > ...
> >
> > > > The thread has had a lot of starts/stops, so I may be repeating a
> > > > previous suggestion, but one idea would be to still emit a "death
> > > > record" when the final task in the audit container ID does die, but
> > > > block the particular audit container ID from reuse until it the
> > > > SIGNAL2 info has been reported.  This gives us the timely ACID death
> > > > notification while still preventing confusion and ambiguity caused by
> > > > potentially reusing the ACID before the SIGNAL2 record has been sent;
> > > > there is a small nit about the ACID being present in the SIGNAL2
> > > > *after* its death, but I think that can be easily explained and
> > > > understood by admins.
> > >
> > > Thinking quickly about possible technical solutions to this, maybe it
> > > makes sense to have two counters on a contobj so that we know when the
> > > last process in that container exits and can issue the death
> > > certificate, but we still block reuse of it until all further references
> > > to it have been resolved.  This will likely also make it possible to
> > > report the full contid chain in SIGNAL2 records.  This will eliminate
> > > some of the issues we are discussing with regards to passing a contobj
> > > vs a contid to the audit_log_contid function, but won't eliminate them
> > > all because there are still some contids that won't have an object
> > > associated with them to make it impossible to look them up in the
> > > contobj lists.
> >
> > I'm not sure you need a full second counter, I imagine a simple flag
> > would be okay.  I think you just something to indicate that this ACID
> > object is marked as "dead" but it still being held for sanity reasons
> > and should not be reused.
>
> Ok, I see your point.  This refcount can be changed to a flag easily
> enough without change to the api if we can be sure that more than one
> signal can't be delivered to the audit daemon *and* collected by sig2.
> I'll have a more careful look at the audit daemon code to see if I can
> determine this.

Maybe I'm not understanding your concern, but this isn't really
different than any of the other things we track for the auditd signal
sender, right?  If we are worried about multiple signals being sent
then it applies to everything, not just the audit container ID.

> Another question occurs to me is that what if the audit daemon is sent a
> signal and it cannot or will not collect the sig2 information from the
> kernel (SIGKILL?)?  Does that audit container identifier remain dead
> until reboot, or do we institute some other form of reaping, possibly
> time-based?

In order to preserve the integrity of the audit log that ACID value
would need to remain unavailable until the ACID which contains the
associated auditd is "dead" (no one can request the signal sender's
info if that container is dead).

-- 
paul moore
www.paul-moore.com