Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1750836AbWBVRri (ORCPT ); Wed, 22 Feb 2006 12:47:38 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1751145AbWBVRri (ORCPT ); Wed, 22 Feb 2006 12:47:38 -0500 Received: from dsl093-040-174.pdx1.dsl.speakeasy.net ([66.93.40.174]:31903 "EHLO aria.kroah.org") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1750836AbWBVRri (ORCPT ); Wed, 22 Feb 2006 12:47:38 -0500 Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 09:47:29 -0800 From: Greg KH To: Christoph Hellwig , Arjan van de Ven , Linus Torvalds , Kay Sievers , Pekka J Enberg , Adrian Bunk , Robert Love , Andrew Morton , Linux Kernel Mailing List , John Stultz Subject: Re: sysfs regressions (was: 2.6.16-rc4: known regressions) Message-ID: <20060222174729.GA10882@suse.de> References: <1140383653.11403.8.camel@localhost> <20060220010205.GB22738@suse.de> <1140562261.11278.6.camel@localhost> <20060221225718.GA12480@vrfy.org> <20060222152743.GA22281@vrfy.org> <1140624187.2979.38.camel@laptopd505.fenrus.org> <20060222161133.GA18059@infradead.org> <20060222171714.GC19733@merlin.emma.line.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060222171714.GC19733@merlin.emma.line.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1716 Lines: 36 On Wed, Feb 22, 2006 at 06:17:14PM +0100, Matthias Andree wrote: > Christoph Hellwig schrieb am 2006-02-22: > > > And to continue the rant: the broken mount uevent feature (which > > can't work right) got in without any serious review through the > > driver model tree. just as all those break udev/etc patches that > > cause all these userland breakages for those people brave enough > > to use udev and surrounding bits. > > > > Folks, we need to stop breaking sysfs interface all the time. Having > > attributes on objects is real nice from many perspectives, but it's > > also a burden because the internal object model is now seen by the > > outside world. That means anything involving sysfs needs a careful > > design not random patching as the driver model core people appear to > > do. > > Oh, and while we're at it: perhaps someone should revert the patch that > caused Douglas Gilbert to chase incompatible sysfs changes in his > user-space applications. It's pretty sad to see random breakage, > apparently by randomly changing / to : in paths from what I discern from > Doug's Changelog. (No, I don't have the background handy, neither would > I care; I just see the application chasing sysfs changes, and that's > enough to complain.) No, that fixed a real bug where sysfs would create multiple symlinks with the same name in the same directory. That _had_ to be fixed, as even Douglas's old tools couldn't handle that properly :) thanks, greg k-h - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/