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Date:   Thu, 26 Mar 2020 12:24:54 +0800
From:   Baoquan He <bhe@redhat.com>
To:     David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 4/5] mm/vmstat.c: move the per-node stats to the front of
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On 03/25/20 at 12:45pm, David Rientjes wrote:
> On Wed, 25 Mar 2020, Baoquan He wrote:
> 
> > > Even this can break existing parsers. Fixing that up is likely not hard
> > > and existing parsers would be mostly debugging hacks here and there but
> > > I do miss any actual justification except for you considering it more
> > > sensible. I do not remember this would be a common pain point for people
> > > parsing this file. If anything the overal structure of the file makes it
> > > hard to parse and your patches do not really address that. We are likely
> > > too late to make the output much more sensible TBH.
> > > 
> > > That being said, I haven't looked more closely on your patches because I
> > > do not have spare cycles for that. Your justification for touching the
> > > code which seems to be working relatively well is quite weak IMHO, yet
> > > it adds a non zero risk for breaking existing parsers.
> > 
> > I would take the saying of non zero risk for breaking existing parsers.
> > When considering this change, I thought about the possible risk. However,
> > found out the per-node stats was added in 2016 which is not so late, and
> > assume nobody will rely on the order of per-node stats embeded into a
> > zone. But I have to admit any concern or worry of risk is worth being
> > considerred carefully since /proc/zoneinfo is a classic interface.
> > 
> 
> For context, we started parsing /proc/zoneinfo in initscripts to be able 
> to determine the order in which vm.lowmem_reserve_ratio needs to be set 
> and this required my kernel change from 2017:
> 
> commit b2bd8598195f1b2a72130592125ac6b4218988a2
> Author: David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>
> Date:   Wed May 3 14:52:59 2017 -0700
> 
>     mm, vmstat: print non-populated zones in zoneinfo
> 
> Otherwise, we found, it's much more difficult to determine how this array 
> should be structured.  So at least we parse this file very carefully, I'm 
> not sure how much others do, but it seems like an unnecessary risk for 
> little reward.  I'm happy to see it has been decided to drop this patch 
> and patch 5.


OK, I see why it is in such a situation, the empty zones were not printed. 

I could still not get how vm.lowmem_reserve_ratio is set with
/proc/zoneinfo in the old initscripts, do you see any risk if not
filling and showing the ->lowmem_reserve[] of empty zone in
patch 2 and 3?  Thanks in advance.