Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1750851AbWBVTki (ORCPT ); Wed, 22 Feb 2006 14:40:38 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1751312AbWBVTki (ORCPT ); Wed, 22 Feb 2006 14:40:38 -0500 Received: from dsl093-040-174.pdx1.dsl.speakeasy.net ([66.93.40.174]:27873 "EHLO aria.kroah.org") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1750851AbWBVTkh (ORCPT ); Wed, 22 Feb 2006 14:40:37 -0500 Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 11:40:24 -0800 From: Greg KH To: Arjan van de Ven Cc: Gabor Gombas , "Theodore Ts'o" , Linus Torvalds , Andrew Morton , Kay Sievers , penberg@cs.helsinki.fi, bunk@stusta.de, rml@novell.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, johnstul@us.ibm.com Subject: Re: 2.6.16-rc4: known regressions Message-ID: <20060222194024.GA15703@suse.de> References: <20060221162104.6b8c35b1.akpm@osdl.org> <20060222112158.GB26268@thunk.org> <20060222154820.GJ16648@ca-server1.us.oracle.com> <20060222162533.GA30316@thunk.org> <20060222173354.GJ14447@boogie.lpds.sztaki.hu> <20060222185923.GL16648@ca-server1.us.oracle.com> <20060222191832.GA14638@suse.de> <1140636588.2979.66.camel@laptopd505.fenrus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1140636588.2979.66.camel@laptopd505.fenrus.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 2003 Lines: 47 On Wed, Feb 22, 2006 at 08:29:48PM +0100, Arjan van de Ven wrote: > On Wed, 2006-02-22 at 11:18 -0800, Greg KH wrote: > > What about trying a stock 2.6.6 or so kernel? Does that work > > differently from 2.6.15? > > ... however it's very much designed only for the kernel that comes with > it (with "it's" I mean all the userspace infrastructure); all the > changes and additions since 2.6.9 aren't incorporated so you probably > really want new alsa, new initscripts, new mkinitrd, new > module-init-tools. some because of abi changes since 2.6.9, others > because the kernel grew capabilities that are really needed for "nice" > behavior. I totally agree. Distros are changing into two different groups these days: - everything tied together and intregrated nicely for a specific kernel version, userspace tool versions, etc. - flexible and works with multiple kernel versions, different userspace tools, etc. Distros in the first category are the "enterprise" releases (RHEL, SLES, etc.), as well as some consumer oriented distros (SuSE, Ubuntu, Fedora possibly.) More flexible distros that handle different kernel versions are Gentoo, Debian, and probably Fedora. And this is a natural progression as people try to provide a more complete "solution" for users. When people to complain that they can't run a "kernel-of-the-day" on their "enterprise" distro, they are not realizing that that distro was just not developed to support that kind of thing at all. So, in short, if you are going to do kernel development, pick a distro that handles different kernel versions. Likewise, if you are doing userspace development (X.org, HAL, KDE, Gnome, etc.) you pick a distro that allows you to change that level of the stack. thanks, greg k-h - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/