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Date:   Mon, 30 Mar 2020 16:14:36 +0200
From:   Thierry Reding <thierry.reding@gmail.com>
To:     Uwe =?utf-8?Q?Kleine-K=C3=B6nig?= <u.kleine-koenig@pengutronix.de>
Cc:     Lokesh Vutla <lokeshvutla@ti.com>,
        Tony Lindgren <tony@atomide.com>,
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        Sekhar Nori <nsekhar@ti.com>, Vignesh R <vigneshr@ti.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 4/5] pwm: omap-dmtimer: Do not disable pwm before
 changing period/duty_cycle
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On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 07:40:42AM +0100, Uwe Kleine-K=C3=B6nig wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 09:52:09AM +0530, Lokesh Vutla wrote:
> > Only the Timer control register(TCLR) cannot be updated when the timer
> > is running. Registers like Counter register(TCRR), loader register(TLDR=
),
> > match register(TMAR) can be updated when the counter is running. Since
> > TCLR is not updated in pwm_omap_dmtimer_config(), do not stop the
> > timer for period/duty_cycle update.
>=20
> I'm not sure what is sensible here. Stopping the PWM for a short period
> is bad, but maybe emitting a wrong period isn't better. You can however
> optimise it if only one of period or duty_cycle changes.
>=20
> @Thierry, what is your position here? I tend to say a short stop is
> preferable.

It's not clear to me from the above description how exactly the device
behaves, but I suspect that it may latch the values in those registers
and only update the actual signal output once a period has finished. I
know of a couple of other devices that do that, so it wouldn't be
surprising.

Even if that was not the case, I think this is just the kind of thing
that we have to live with. Sometimes it just isn't possible to have all
supported devices adhere strictly to an API. So I think the best we can
do is have an API that loosely defines what's supposed to happen and
make a best effort to implement those semantics. If a device deviates
slightly from those expectations, we can always cross fingers and hope
that things still work. And it looks like they are.

So I think if Lokesh and Tony agree that this is the right thing to do
and have verified that things still work after this, that's about as
good as it's going to get.

I know this is perhaps cheating a little, or turning a blind eye, but I
don't know what the alternative would be. Do we want to tell people that
a given PWM controller can't be used if it doesn't work according to our
expectations? That's hard to argue if that controller works just fine
for all known use-cases.

Thierry

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