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Date:   Tue, 31 Mar 2020 17:41:03 +0200
From:   David Jander <david@protonic.nl>
To:     Russell King - ARM Linux admin <linux@armlinux.org.uk>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] ARM: imx: allow to disable board specific PHY fixups
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Dear Russell,

On Tue, 31 Mar 2020 10:36:49 +0100
Russell King - ARM Linux admin <linux@armlinux.org.uk> wrote:

> On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 10:44:59AM +0200, David Jander wrote:
> > On Mon, 30 Mar 2020 18:41:14 +0100
> > Russell King - ARM Linux admin <linux@armlinux.org.uk> wrote:
> >   
> > > On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 10:33:03AM -0700, Florian Fainelli wrote:  
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > On 3/29/2020 10:26 PM, Oleksij Rempel wrote:    
> > > > > Hi Andrew,
> > > > > 
> > > > > On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 05:08:54PM +0200, Andrew Lunn wrote:    
> > > > >> On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 01:04:57PM +0200, Oleksij Rempel wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Hi Oleksij
> > > > >>    
> > > > >>> +config DEPRECATED_PHY_FIXUPS
> > > > >>> +	bool "Enable deprecated PHY fixups"
> > > > >>> +	default y
> > > > >>> +	---help---
> > > > >>> +	  In the early days it was common practice to configure PHYs by adding a
> > > > >>> +	  phy_register_fixup*() in the machine code. This practice turned out to
> > > > >>> +	  be potentially dangerous, because:
> > > > >>> +	  - it affects all PHYs in the system
> > > > >>> +	  - these register changes are usually not preserved during PHY reset
> > > > >>> +	    or suspend/resume cycle.
> > > > >>> +	  - it complicates debugging, since these configuration changes were not
> > > > >>> +	    done by the actual PHY driver.
> > > > >>> +	  This option allows to disable all fixups which are identified as
> > > > >>> +	  potentially harmful and give the developers a chance to implement the
> > > > >>> +	  proper configuration via the device tree (e.g.: phy-mode) and/or the
> > > > >>> +	  related PHY drivers.    
> > > > >>
> > > > >> This appears to be an IMX only problem. Everybody else seems to of got
> > > > >> this right. There is no need to bother everybody with this new
> > > > >> option. Please put this in arch/arm/mach-mxs/Kconfig and have IMX in
> > > > >> the name.    
> > > > > 
> > > > > Actually, all fixups seems to do wring thing:
> > > > > arch/arm/mach-davinci/board-dm644x-evm.c:915:		phy_register_fixup_for_uid(LXT971_PHY_ID, LXT971_PHY_MASK,
> > > > > 
> > > > > Increased MII drive strength. Should be probably enabled by the PHY
> > > > > driver.
> > > > > 
> > > > > arch/arm/mach-imx/mach-imx6q.c:167:		phy_register_fixup_for_uid(PHY_ID_KSZ9021, MICREL_PHY_ID_MASK,
> > > > > arch/arm/mach-imx/mach-imx6q.c:169:		phy_register_fixup_for_uid(PHY_ID_KSZ9031, MICREL_PHY_ID_MASK,
> > > > > arch/arm/mach-imx/mach-imx6q.c:171:		phy_register_fixup_for_uid(PHY_ID_AR8031, 0xffffffef,
> > > > > arch/arm/mach-imx/mach-imx6q.c:173:		phy_register_fixup_for_uid(PHY_ID_AR8035, 0xffffffef,    
> > > 
> > > As far as I'm concerned, the AR8035 fixup is there with good reason.
> > > It's not just "random" but is required to make the AR8035 usable with
> > > the iMX6 SoCs.  Not because of a board level thing, but because it's
> > > required for the AR8035 to be usable with an iMX6 SoC.  
> > 
> > I have checked with the datasheet of the AR8035, and AFAICS, what the code
> > does is this:
> > 
> >  - Disable the SmartEEE feature of the phy. The comment in the code implies
> >    that for some reason it doesn't work, but the reason itself is not given.
> >    Anyway, disabling SmartEEE should IMHO opinion be controlled by a DT
> >    setting. There is no reason to believe this problem is specific to the
> >    i.MX6. Besides, it is a feature of the phy, so it seems logical to expose
> >    that via the DT. Once that is done, it has no place here.
> > 
> >  - Set the external clock output to 125MHz. This is needed because the i.MX6
> >    needs a 125MHz reference clock input. But it is not a requirement to use
> >    this output. It is perfectly fine and possible to design a board that uses
> >    an external oscillator for this. It is also possible that an i.MX6 design
> >    has such a phy connected to a MAC behind a switch or some other interface.
> >    Independent of i.MX6 this setting can also be necessary for other hardware
> >    designs, based on different SoC's. In summary, this is a feature of the
> >    specific hardware design at hand, and has nothing to do with the i.MX6
> >    specifically. This should definitely be exposed through the DT and not be
> >    here.
> > 
> >  - Enable TXC delay. To clarify, the RGMII specification version 1 specified
> >    that the RXC and TXC traces should be routed long enough to introduce a
> >    certain delay to the clock signal, or the delay should be introduced via
> >    other means. In a later version of the spec, a provision was given for MAC
> >    or PHY devices to generate this delay internally. The i.MX6 MAC interface
> >    is unable to generate the required delay internally, so it has to be taken
> >    care of either by the board layout, or by the PHY device. This is the
> >    crucial point: The amount of delay set by the PHY delay register depends on
> >    the board layout. It should NEVER be hard-coded in SoC setup code. The
> >    correct way is to specify it in the DT. Needless to say that this too,
> >    isn't i.MX6-specific.
> >   
> > > So, having it registered by the iMX6 SoC code is entirely logical and
> > > correct.  
> > 
> > I'm afraid I don't agree. See above. This code really should never have been
> > here. It is not i.MX6-specific as I pointed out above, nor is it necessarily
> > applicable to all i.MX6 boards that use those phy devices.  
> 
> Then we will have to agree to disagree, sorry.

Please forgive me if I am appearing a bit stubborn.
If it is not too much to ask, I would really like to know where my reasoning
is wrong?
Maybe you can explain to me how to solve the following real-life conflict that
this introduces:

Suppose we have a board with an i.MX6Q and a KSZ9031 connected to it. Suppose
I now take a USB stick with a LAN7800 ethernet chip and a KSZ9031 PHY. These
USB sticks do exist, and it does not seem unthinkable to me that one would
connect them to such an i.MX6 system in order to get a second LAN port.

AFAICS there is a reasonable chance this combination might not work, and for
some very obscure reason on top of that:

There are two places a fixup gets registered for the phy:

 drivers/net/usb/lan78xx.c:2019

and:

 arch/arm/mach-imx/mach-imx6q.c:64

Both of these fix-ups write different clock- and signal pad skews to any
ksz9031 phy... but there are now two.

So there is one driver, one set of fixups (one overwrites the other) but two
different instances of hardware requiring different settings.

I get that it is possibly harder to repair the USB case, but for SoC's we have
platform drivers that support device-trees almost everywhere nowadays.
Device-tree nodes are unique for each instance of a device, so there would be
the most logical place to fix these cases. In fact, the needed definitions are
already in place. The only thing that needs to be done is remove the fixup
from the SoC code and patch the affected DTS files. If the USB driver cannot
be repaired or will be repaired at a later time, apply fixups only for non-DT
devices. Problem solved. Right?

Maybe, if the kernel is modular and the lan7800 driver is actually a module
loaded much later than the SoC FEC driver, it will work fine if the fixups are
applied only once per device (I must admit that I don't know that for sure).
But if they are both built-in drivers, it may cause hardware to malfunction in
hard to debug ways.

I must also admit that I don't have the required USB stick to test my
hypothesis, so I cannot provide any hard proof that it will malfunction. Maybe
I am making a mistake in this reasoning, in which case I am sorry. Would be
cool to have an explanation as to why I am wrong here though...

Best regards,

-- 
David Jander
Protonic Holland.