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[209.85.208.171]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 6sm2634827lft.83.2020.04.01.16.55.58 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 01 Apr 2020 16:55:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-lj1-f171.google.com with SMTP id k21so1376216ljh.2 for ; Wed, 01 Apr 2020 16:55:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 2002:a2e:b4cb:: with SMTP id r11mr371604ljm.201.1585785358260; Wed, 01 Apr 2020 16:55:58 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20200324215049.GA3710@pi3.com.pl> <202003291528.730A329@keescook> <87zhbvlyq7.fsf_-_@x220.int.ebiederm.org> In-Reply-To: From: Linus Torvalds Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2020 16:55:42 -0700 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: Subject: Re: [PATCH] signal: Extend exec_id to 64bits To: Jann Horn Cc: "Eric W. Biederman" , Alan Stern , Andrea Parri , Will Deacon , Peter Zijlstra , Boqun Feng , Nicholas Piggin , David Howells , Jade Alglave , Luc Maranget , "Paul E. McKenney" , Akira Yokosawa , Daniel Lustig , Adam Zabrocki , kernel list , Kernel Hardening , Oleg Nesterov , Andy Lutomirski , Bernd Edlinger , Kees Cook , Andrew Morton , stable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Wed, Apr 1, 2020 at 4:51 PM Linus Torvalds wrote: > > It's literally testing a sequence counter for equality. If you get > tearing in the high bits on the write (or the read), you'd still need > to have the low bits turn around 4G times to get a matching value. Put another way: first you'd have to work however many weeks to do 4 billion execve() calls, and then you need to hit basically a single-instruction race to take advantage of it. Good luck with that. If you have that kind of God-like capability, whoever you're attacking stands no chance in the first place. Linus