Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S932684AbWBYM2c (ORCPT ); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 07:28:32 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S932689AbWBYM2c (ORCPT ); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 07:28:32 -0500 Received: from natnoddy.rzone.de ([81.169.145.166]:22711 "EHLO natnoddy.rzone.de") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S932684AbWBYM2b convert rfc822-to-8bit (ORCPT ); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 07:28:31 -0500 From: Stefan Rompf To: Christoph Hellwig Subject: Re: [Announce] Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 13:29:03 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 Cc: gene.heskett@verizononline.net, James Ketrenos , NetDev , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org References: <43FF88E6.6020603@linux.intel.com> <200602250549.47547.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <20060225105340.GA23643@infradead.org> In-Reply-To: <20060225105340.GA23643@infradead.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200602251329.03933.stefan@loplof.de> Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1466 Lines: 34 Am Samstag 25 Februar 2006 11:53 schrieb Christoph Hellwig: >From a short glance over the driver code, the protocol between the _open source_ driver and the binary user space daemon seems to be quite defined and unobfuscated. Obviously, someone owning the device has to verify that the daemon doesn't tamper the hardware beyond the driver's back. > We have support for other software radios. There is a difference. As kernel developers, we can put the responsibility to verify that a device can be operated legally on the user, as you said. A manufacturer, especially a huge one as Intel, is obligated to take this burden from their customers - obligated may be by law, may be by company policy. > If intel doesn't do the right > thing support for their hardware will have to wait until someone has > reverse-engineered their daemon [1]. If someone else reverse engineers and replaces the daemon, it may not be Intel's problem anymore - but that's all not the point. Actually, Intel invested a lot of time to avoid shipping a binary only driver or a HAL like madwifi does. So however this settles, they deserve at least to be adressed in a less insulting tone than you do in your mails. Thanks, Stefan - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/