Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id ; Sun, 21 Oct 2001 17:22:30 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id ; Sun, 21 Oct 2001 17:22:20 -0400 Received: from gusi.leathercollection.ph ([202.163.192.10]:10119 "EHLO gusi.leathercollection.ph") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id convert rfc822-to-8bit; Sun, 21 Oct 2001 17:22:16 -0400 Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 05:22:47 +0800 (PHT) From: Federico Sevilla III To: Linux Kernel Mailing List Subject: Re: The new X-Kernel ! In-Reply-To: <20011021220346.D19390@vega.digitel2002.hu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Sun, 21 Oct 2001 at 22:03, G?bor L?n?rt wrote: > Errrm ;-) It's very bad thing to hide boot messages even for novice > users. They can't bugreport in this way ... I thing the best way would > be the penguin logo at the top, and some pixel progress bar under Tux. > The messages should remain IMHO. I strongly agree with this. Besides, dislike of the "greek" kernel messages is not universal to all newbies. I know a number of ultra-newbies who actually like this, and have asked me to (they don't know how) remove their Windows 9x bootup screens so that it feels "geekier". And these people aren't geeks. The good side to having decent kernel information at boot up is that users inevitably remember _patterns_. They may not remember what the things mean, but they'll sure know when something's suddenly different (if they look, of course). And this leads to knowing the system more. In this sense the bootup information is a good tool for the slow and painful process of educating users, weening them from the shelter from information that a number of other OSs provide. --> Jijo -- Federico Sevilla III :: jijo@leathercollection.ph Network Administrator :: The Leather Collection, Inc. GnuPG Key: - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/