Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1750887AbWB1OBl (ORCPT ); Tue, 28 Feb 2006 09:01:41 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1750877AbWB1OBl (ORCPT ); Tue, 28 Feb 2006 09:01:41 -0500 Received: from main.gmane.org ([80.91.229.2]:2746 "EHLO ciao.gmane.org") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1750809AbWB1OBk (ORCPT ); Tue, 28 Feb 2006 09:01:40 -0500 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org From: Sergei Organov Subject: Re: o_sync in vfat driver Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 16:52:29 +0300 Message-ID: References: <20060227132848.GA27601@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1141048228.2992.106.camel@laptopd505.fenrus.org> <1141049176.18855.4.camel@imp.csi.cam.ac.uk> <1141050437.2992.111.camel@laptopd505.fenrus.org> <1141051305.18855.21.camel@imp.csi.cam.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 87.236.81.130 User-Agent: Gnus/5.110004 (No Gnus v0.4) XEmacs/21.4.18 (linux) Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1416 Lines: 26 "linux-os \(Dick Johnson\)" writes: > On Mon, 27 Feb 2006 col-pepper@piments.com wrote: > >> On Mon, 27 Feb 2006 22:32:07 +0100, linux-os (Dick Johnson) >> wrote: >> [...] > It takes about a second to erase a 64k physical sector. This is > a required operation before it is written. > Since the projected life of these new devices is about 5 to 10 million > such cycles, (older NAND flash used in modems was only 100-200k) the > writer would have to be running that "brand new device" for at least 5 > million seconds. Let's see: What FLASH are you talking about? I work with NAND FLASH chips directly in embedded projects, and for both Toshiba and Samsung NAND FLASH the erase time of 128Kb (64K words) block is 2 milliseconds typical. Page program time is 0.3 milliseconds typical, so, having 64 pages per block, total erase-write block cycle is about 22ms. Those chips indeed support about 100K program/erase cycles. Well, maybe there are some new NAND FLASH chips that support more program/erase cycles (just checked Samsung but found none), but I doubt they are 1000 times slower for block erase anyway. -- Sergei. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/