Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S932424AbWB1TEd (ORCPT ); Tue, 28 Feb 2006 14:04:33 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S932425AbWB1TEd (ORCPT ); Tue, 28 Feb 2006 14:04:33 -0500 Received: from 26.mail-out.ovh.net ([213.186.42.179]:21674 "EHLO 26.mail-out.ovh.net") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S932424AbWB1TEc (ORCPT ); Tue, 28 Feb 2006 14:04:32 -0500 Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 18:16:48 +0100 From: col-pepper@piments.com To: "linux-os (Dick Johnson)" Subject: Re: o_sync in vfat driver Cc: "linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" References: <20060227132848.GA27601@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <1141048228.2992.106.camel@laptopd505.fenrus.org> <1141049176.18855.4.camel@imp.csi.cam.ac.uk> <1141050437.2992.111.camel@laptopd505.fenrus.org> <1141051305.18855.21.camel@imp.csi.cam.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed delsp=yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Message-ID: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Opera M2/8.51 (Linux, build 1462) X-Ovh-Remote: 80.170.101.26 (d80-170-101-26.cust.tele2.fr) X-Ovh-Local: 213.186.33.20 (ns0.ovh.net) X-Spam-Check: fait|type 1&3|0.3|H 0.5 Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1845 Lines: 44 On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 14:10:44 +0100, linux-os (Dick Johnson) wrote: > No. That hardware was not killed by that issue. The writer, or another > who had encountered the same issue, eventually repartitioned and > reformatted the device. The partition table had gotten corrupted by > some experiments and the writer assumed that the device was broken. > It wasn't. I did not get the info you posted from that thread so maybe I missed something you saw. Or indeed it was someone else. Many thanks for your comments. If this is a false alert all the better. > Also, the failure mode of NAND flash is not that it becomes > "destroyed". The failure mode is a slow loss of data. The > devices no longer retain data for a zillion years, only a > few hundred, eventually, only a year or so. There was a comment about the failure mode, no time scale was given. I see no reason why the degradation would stop at a year though. > Since the projected life of these new devices is about 5 to 10million > such cycles,(older NAND flash used in modems was only 100-200k) Maybe some of the cheap devices are not using the new flash memory in which case it would come down to between 24 and 48hrs of constant use. This would be a realistic problem. Alan Cox refered to some devices that could be damaged as "crap", so it seems he is aware of some hardware differences. In conclusion it seems from Andrew Morton's posts that the way this is handled is under review so I am confident that a robust and stable solution will result. Thanks again for your thoughts on this. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/