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[23.128.96.18]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id n25si11903082ejl.342.2020.04.16.08.15.36; Thu, 16 Apr 2020 08:16:01 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 23.128.96.18 as permitted sender) client-ip=23.128.96.18; Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; dkim=pass header.i=@pobox.com header.s=sasl header.b=aVQ7ou3W; dkim=temperror (no key for signature) header.i=@fluxnic.net header.s=2016-12.pbsmtp header.b=mhOwPOrL; spf=pass (google.com: domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 23.128.96.18 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S2439182AbgDPPNa (ORCPT + 99 others); Thu, 16 Apr 2020 11:13:30 -0400 Received: from pb-smtp20.pobox.com ([173.228.157.52]:56192 "EHLO pb-smtp20.pobox.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S2395088AbgDPPNF (ORCPT ); Thu, 16 Apr 2020 11:13:05 -0400 Received: from pb-smtp20.pobox.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by pb-smtp20.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C30CCCAF9; Thu, 16 Apr 2020 11:13:02 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from nico@fluxnic.net) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=pobox.com; h=date:from:to :cc:subject:in-reply-to:message-id:references:mime-version :content-type; s=sasl; bh=EmCc83cGpH1PK+OmfXhUEjWC8ds=; b=aVQ7ou 3WqM0s3ghVtQuQ+FnbxizM2oeosiePh15ekPxSOpZ5O+u89PgTaFwE+kQfwwhh25 emmYOPZ6Wl2UWxq/FnmZHkgixpcMfM6nOkqGfWOK7E2x/KQGpJCzjT/f3Yl3zVqH Yb1epFuCEAxlCdVNqp5xcJA8BnxfM0KCv8YBk= Received: from pb-smtp20.sea.icgroup.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by pb-smtp20.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22606CCAF8; Thu, 16 Apr 2020 11:13:02 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from nico@fluxnic.net) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed; d=fluxnic.net; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:message-id:references:mime-version:content-type; s=2016-12.pbsmtp; bh=ODtNsYZK2kcwPIZiYkxRnX/rGfukkhVwPZgiIX9m3Hc=; b=mhOwPOrLVNViEQcT6ZxueaJIaNS2OOL5Q6V5kVOJqurB2pQbu5SYf5agaBqzZzQgkrZS/H5Ymql18PTg+aPX++qwbVDZvTgLZvgJmFfIRVcrVkcryFpWoLdgyWxZkfPSOHs95eV/gNPMNi3xlcU4RtrraEQdGL7yRh3CzutY8jM= Received: from yoda.home (unknown [24.203.50.76]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pb-smtp20.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D99EDCCAF3; Thu, 16 Apr 2020 11:12:58 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from nico@fluxnic.net) Received: from xanadu.home (xanadu.home [192.168.2.2]) by yoda.home (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 09BC42DA0D32; Thu, 16 Apr 2020 11:12:57 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2020 11:12:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Nicolas Pitre To: Arnd Bergmann cc: Jani Nikula , Saeed Mahameed , "narmstrong@baylibre.com" , "masahiroy@kernel.org" , "Laurent.pinchart@ideasonboard.com" , "leon@kernel.org" , "davem@davemloft.net" , "linux-renesas-soc@vger.kernel.org" , "linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" , "linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org" , "dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org" , "kieran.bingham+renesas@ideasonboard.com" , "a.hajda@samsung.com" , "jonas@kwiboo.se" , "netdev@vger.kernel.org" , "airlied@linux.ie" , "jgg@ziepe.ca" , "jernej.skrabec@siol.net" Subject: Re: [RFC 0/6] Regressions for "imply" behavior change In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <20200408202711.1198966-1-arnd@arndb.de> <20200408224224.GD11886@ziepe.ca> <87k12pgifv.fsf@intel.com> <7d9410a4b7d0ef975f7cbd8f0b6762df114df539.camel@mellanox.com> <20200410171320.GN11886@ziepe.ca> <16441479b793077cdef9658f35773739038c39dc.camel@mellanox.com> <20200414132900.GD5100@ziepe.ca> <20200414152312.GF5100@ziepe.ca> <834c7606743424c64951dd2193ca15e29799bf18.camel@mellanox.com> <874ktj4tvn.fsf@intel.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.21 (LFD 202 2017-01-01) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Pobox-Relay-ID: C1D878A0-7FF4-11EA-9E0A-B0405B776F7B-78420484!pb-smtp20.pobox.com Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Thu, 16 Apr 2020, Arnd Bergmann wrote: > On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 12:17 PM Jani Nikula > wrote: > > > > On Thu, 16 Apr 2020, Arnd Bergmann wrote: > > > On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 5:25 AM Saeed Mahameed wrote: > > >> BTW how about adding a new Kconfig option to hide the details of > > >> ( BAR || !BAR) ? as Jason already explained and suggested, this will > > >> make it easier for the users and developers to understand the actual > > >> meaning behind this tristate weird condition. > > >> > > >> e.g have a new keyword: > > >> reach VXLAN > > >> which will be equivalent to: > > >> depends on VXLAN && !VXLAN > > > > > > I'd love to see that, but I'm not sure what keyword is best. For your > > > suggestion of "reach", that would probably do the job, but I'm not > > > sure if this ends up being more or less confusing than what we have > > > today. > > > > Ah, perfect bikeshedding topic! > > > > Perhaps "uses"? If the dependency is enabled it gets used as a > > dependency. > > That seems to be the best naming suggestion so far What I don't like about "uses" is that it doesn't convey the conditional dependency. It could be mistaken as being synonymous to "select". What about "depends_if" ? The rationale is that this is actually a dependency, but only if the related symbol is set (i.e. not n or empty). > Right. OTOH whoever implements it gets to pick the color of the > bikeshed. ;-) Absolutely. But some brainstorming can't hurt. Nicolas