Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id ; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 15:37:59 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id ; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 15:37:49 -0400 Received: from hermes.fachschaften.tu-muenchen.de ([129.187.176.19]:5085 "HELO hermes.fachschaften.tu-muenchen.de") by vger.kernel.org with SMTP id ; Mon, 22 Oct 2001 15:37:32 -0400 Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 21:38:00 +0200 (CEST) From: Adrian Bunk X-X-Sender: bunk@mimas.fachschaften.tu-muenchen.de To: Wayne.Brown@altec.com cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: Linux 2.2.20pre10 In-Reply-To: <86256AED.00627772.00@smtpnotes.altec.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Mon, 22 Oct 2001 Wayne.Brown@altec.com wrote: > I never said that Alan, or any particular individual, should risk a lawsuit or > jail. I simply said that I hoped *someone outside the US* (that is, someone not > subject to US laws) would make the information available. Surely there are > places in the world that are beyond the reach of the DMCA. How about those Where in the world do you find "someone not subject to US laws"? Someone who develops a program in Russia gets arrested in the USA. And with the "Hague Convention on Jurisdiction and Foreign Judgments in Civil and Commercial Matters" [1] it will become much more easy for US companies for sue people outside the USA... > European sites that made strong encryption available to circumvent the US export > restrictions on encryption technology? I never heard of the FBI raiding any of > them. That's a completely different thing: It is and it was always legal to use encryption technology inside the USA and to import it into the USA (read: downloading it from outside the USA is some kind of import). The only thing that was (and is still under some circumstances) forbidden is the export it from the USA. That means that in this case there are _no_ legal risks for you when you offer encryption technology on a server that is located outside the USA - and this is quite different from the DMCA problems. > Wayne cu Adrian [1] An article in German about it that includes a pdf with the English text of the proposal is at http://www.heise.de/newsticker/data/jk-15.10.01-001/ -- Get my GPG key: finger bunk@debian.org | gpg --import Fingerprint: B29C E71E FE19 6755 5C8A 84D4 99FC EA98 4F12 B400 - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/