Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S932496AbWCHLkv (ORCPT ); Wed, 8 Mar 2006 06:40:51 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S932497AbWCHLkv (ORCPT ); Wed, 8 Mar 2006 06:40:51 -0500 Received: from enyo.dsw2k3.info ([195.71.86.239]:62123 "EHLO enyo.dsw2k3.info") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S932496AbWCHLku (ORCPT ); Wed, 8 Mar 2006 06:40:50 -0500 Message-ID: <440EC2BA.7010108@citd.de> Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 12:40:42 +0100 From: Matthias Schniedermeyer User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (X11/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Anshuman Gholap Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: [future of drivers?] a proposal for binary drivers. References: <20060308102731.GO27946@ftp.linux.org.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 2138 Lines: 52 Anshuman Gholap wrote: > well ya, I knew i was running the risk to be labelled like that, cause > i thought to talk of this issue, more shake is needed that just stir. > > please dont get me wrong (even though i think most of you already > have), i own my graditude for the livelihood i am having to > linux,linus and co. To get to the point of the others binary-only-discussions. You only see that you can't use a device today. I know that is annoying, but you have to see the "big picture": Less hostility regarding binary-only drivers would lead to a "flood" of binary-only-drivers which are undebuggable and unmaintanable by the kernel developers. IOW you would be at the mercy of the vendor of the device to make a compatible driver in the future. But there is a planet-size catch: Vendors think in money. So if you have a device that is end of line most vendors couldn't care less if you can't use it anymore with current systems. Given that the vendor is still in business after all! So instead of having a paper-weight today you will have it a few years later. I don't see the big difference. IOW. A "new" device may be working today, but will be a paper-weight later. Whereas an "old" device will be a paper-weight today, if the vendor only provided binary-only drivers "back then" when it was "new". In contrast most times you have an OSS-driver it will work "indefinetly", as it can be maintained over the years. It's all a shifting of who is hurt and when. In the long run the current model should be working better and better. Whereas binary-only drivers would destroy/undermine the achievements we have now. -- Real Programmers consider "what you see is what you get" to be just as bad a concept in Text Editors as it is in women. No, the Real Programmer wants a "you asked for it, you got it" text editor -- complicated, cryptic, powerful, unforgiving, dangerous. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/