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Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <6e97a4b0-df4f-90c7-a6f7-61ee52e0833e@intel.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-TM-AS-GCONF: 00 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10434:6.0.138,18.0.676 definitions=2020-05-05_08:2020-05-04,2020-05-05 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=outbound_notspam policy=outbound score=0 priorityscore=1501 lowpriorityscore=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 impostorscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 bulkscore=0 clxscore=1015 suspectscore=0 mlxscore=0 spamscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2003020000 definitions=main-2005050114 Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On 05.05.20 16:24, Dave Hansen wrote: > On 5/5/20 7:00 AM, Christian Borntraeger wrote: >> We are certainly not married to our approach. I would happily extend/change >> this to anything that works for your case and the s390 case. So can you outline >> your requirements a bit more? > > For SEV, the guest define which pages are encrypted or not. You could > theoretically do DMA to them or have the CPU access their contents, but > you'd get either get ciphertext for reads, or data corruption and loss > of cache coherency for writes. That's not so cool. > > Ideally, we would stop the CPU from ever accessing those pages by > unmapping them. But, the pages go in and out of the encrypted state and > the host really needs to be *sure* about what's going on before it > restores its mapping and messes with the page. That includes situations > where someone does a gup, starts an I/O to an unencrypted page, then the > guest tries to convert that page over to being encrypted. > > So, the requirements are: > > 1. Allow host-side DMA and CPU access to shared pages > 2. Stop host-side DMA and CPU access to encrypted pages > 3. Allow pages to be converted between the states at the request of the > guest > > Stopping the DMA is pretty easy, even across the gazillions of drivers > in the tree because even random ethernet drivers do stuff like: > > txdr->buffer_info[i].dma = > dma_map_single(&pdev->dev, skb->data, skb->len, > DMA_TO_DEVICE); > > So the DMA can be stopped at the mapping layer. It's a *LOT* easier to > catch there since the IOMMUs already provide isolation between the I/O > and CPU address spaces. And your problem is that the guest could convert this after the dma_map? So you looked into our code if this would help?