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From:   "Lev R. Oshvang ." <levonshe@gmail.com>
Date:   Fri, 8 May 2020 10:15:56 +0300
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 0/6] Add support for O_MAYEXEC
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On Thu, May 7, 2020 at 4:38 PM Micka=C3=ABl Sala=C3=BCn <mic@digikod.net> w=
rote:
>
>
> On 07/05/2020 11:44, David Laight wrote:
> > From: Micka=C3=ABl Sala=C3=BCn <mic@digikod.net>
> >> Sent: 07 May 2020 10:30
> >> On 07/05/2020 11:00, David Laight wrote:
> >>> From: Micka=C3=ABl Sala=C3=BCn
> >>>> Sent: 07 May 2020 09:37
> >>> ...
> >>>>> None of that description actually says what the patch actually does=
.
> >>>>
> >>>> "Add support for O_MAYEXEC" "to enable to control script execution".
> >>>> What is not clear here? This seems well understood by other commente=
rs.
> >>>> The documentation patch and the talks can also help.
> >>>
> >>> I'm guessing that passing O_MAYEXEC to open() requests the kernel
> >>> check for execute 'x' permissions (as well as read).
> >>
> >> Yes, but only with openat2().
> >
> > It can't matter if the flag is ignored.
> > It just means the kernel isn't enforcing the policy.
> > If openat2() fail because the flag is unsupported then
> > the application will need to retry without the flag.
>
> I don't get what you want to prove. Please read carefully the cover
> letter, the use case and the threat model.
>
> >
> > So if the user has any ability create executable files this
> > is all pointless (from a security point of view).
> > The user can either copy the file or copy in an interpreter
> > that doesn't request O_MAYEXEC.>
> > It might stop accidental issues, but nothing malicious.
>
> The execute permission (like the write permission) does not only depends
> on the permission set on files, but it also depends on the
> options/permission of their mount points, the MAC policy, etc. The
> initial use case to enforce O_MAYEXEC is to rely on the noexec mount opti=
on.
>
> If you want a consistent policy, you need to make one. Only dealing with
> file properties may not be enough. This is explain in the cover letter
> and the patches. If you allow all users to write and execute their
> files, then there is no point in enforcing anything with O_MAYEXEC.
>
> >
> >>> Then kernel policy determines whether 'read' access is actually enoug=
h,
> >>> or whether 'x' access (possibly masked by mount permissions) is neede=
d.
> >>>
> >>> If that is true, two lines say what is does.
> >>
> >> The "A simple system-wide security policy" paragraph introduce that, b=
ut
> >> I'll highlight it in the next cover letter.
> >
> > No it doesn't.
> > It just says there is some kind of policy that some flags change.
> > It doesn't say what is being checked for.
>
> It said "the mount points or the file access rights". Please take a look
> at the documentation patch.
>
> >
> >> The most important point is
> >> to understand why it is required, before getting to how it will be
> >> implemented.
> >
> > But you don't say what is required.
>
> A consistent policy. Please take a look at the documentation patch which
> explains the remaining prerequisites. You can also take a look at the
> talks for further details.
>
> > Just a load of buzzword ramblings.
>
> It is a summary. Can you please suggest something better?

I can suggest something better ( I believe)
Some time ago I proposed patch to IMA -  Add suffix in IMA policy rule crit=
eria
It allows IMA to verify scripts, configuration files and even single file.
It is very simple and does not depend on open flags.
Mimi Zohar decided not to include this patch on the reason it tries to
protect the file name.
( Why ??).

https://lore.kernel.org/linux-integrity/20200330122434.GB28214@kl/