Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S932479AbWCMV6O (ORCPT ); Mon, 13 Mar 2006 16:58:14 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S932480AbWCMV6O (ORCPT ); Mon, 13 Mar 2006 16:58:14 -0500 Received: from mail1.webmaster.com ([216.152.64.168]:53264 "EHLO mail1.webmaster.com") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S932479AbWCMV6L (ORCPT ); Mon, 13 Mar 2006 16:58:11 -0500 From: "David Schwartz" To: "Linux-Kernel@Vger. Kernel. Org" Subject: RE: [future of drivers?] a proposal for binary drivers. Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 13:57:40 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <1142238041.3023.11.camel@laptopd505.fenrus.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Importance: Normal X-Authenticated-Sender: joelkatz@webmaster.com X-Spam-Processed: mail1.webmaster.com, Mon, 13 Mar 2006 13:53:54 -0800 (not processed: message from trusted or authenticated source) X-MDRemoteIP: 206.171.168.138 X-Return-Path: davids@webmaster.com X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Reply-To: davids@webmaster.com X-MDAV-Processed: mail1.webmaster.com, Mon, 13 Mar 2006 13:53:56 -0800 Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1962 Lines: 46 > > 2) The ordinary and expected use of a library is to produce > > applications > > that use that library. > and the kernel is not a library Tell me, then, what is the orindary expected use of the RedHat 'kernel-devel' package? > > 5) There is no right under copyright for authors of > > original works to limit > > the distribution of lawfully-created derivative works to those with the > > right to use the original work. > this is not correct. Copyright law *DOES* give copyright owners the > right to control derived works. No, it does not. Copyright law only gives copyright owners the right to control the *creation* of derivative works. I very carefully worded my statement above so that it would talk about precisely the right people claim they have and precisely the right they do not have. In this case, the alleged derivative work is created under first sale, as part of normal use. It is impossible to normally use the 'kernel-devel' package without creating derivative works, and under first sale, normal use (and anything required for normal use) cannot be burdened. Once the derivative work is lawfully created, there is nothing in copyright law that requires the permission of the author of the original work to distribute the derived work to licensees of the original work. The GPL gets around this by imposing requirements on the creation of derivative works, under the assumption that you cannot get the right to create a derivative work any other way. But this is false, first sale grants the right to normal use, and normal use includes anything necessary for normal use. For a library or for the 'kernel-devel' package, normal use requires the creation of derivative works. DS - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/