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[23.128.96.18]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id n1si7354554edo.310.2020.05.24.00.50.48; Sun, 24 May 2020 00:51:11 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 23.128.96.18 as permitted sender) client-ip=23.128.96.18; Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=fnfN7GAr; spf=pass (google.com: domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 23.128.96.18 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org; dmarc=pass (p=NONE sp=QUARANTINE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1728190AbgEXHs0 (ORCPT + 99 others); Sun, 24 May 2020 03:48:26 -0400 Received: from lindbergh.monkeyblade.net ([23.128.96.19]:42496 "EHLO lindbergh.monkeyblade.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1726796AbgEXHsZ (ORCPT ); Sun, 24 May 2020 03:48:25 -0400 Received: from mail-io1-xd41.google.com (mail-io1-xd41.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::d41]) by lindbergh.monkeyblade.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 86D58C061A0E; Sun, 24 May 2020 00:48:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-io1-xd41.google.com with SMTP id f3so15913827ioj.1; Sun, 24 May 2020 00:48:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:reply-to:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc; bh=lYyxQy2basMHk+ymmytrrORebX9PiLqKXhegfXyfuDw=; b=fnfN7GArFrWdQ6imDIwKvsDoM8g62KbimmJDHdZAEtNXkGDhzKR474F6WCKpe7VkgH vKCn+yo7zDppvxXUMZPbezY+z797+WqkukFSK4j4U1b0Z+4X7iDaQYJDB0o7oPI8JwT3 yQd4VWo/xAuCDnas1301CsmqwFqt0zC7FykxMVBpV7SGXW+oIw3mApNINADYQZ+8a8D8 Qen3uu9+SVITTc4EWZMcZD4FRl6EehjQOotowEFGpbfo5KHIV4fE4/4XbQkz/mlrJ23p hRC/P07PjeswM5JfAQc7A5zySgyVxvQNJ+kL0y5jU5Z9Td0ct3Ltg1E14a9kNGTTCTLJ f77Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:reply-to :from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=lYyxQy2basMHk+ymmytrrORebX9PiLqKXhegfXyfuDw=; b=rX4RAn2W6WIWBJevmLoKm/vT1UmEvEB0cJdpADUQDEpXHzpTJEEclmT2//0bJ651IX tYdN0zF185niPKbSYDH2Yjsm2zLKauxZFR4GJE1cd2o2Tg+3PUJB3TecwGrZn6m6Jxtx zL9y8KeKrMvS1H9SCsBwEZQum8HlGcflZVUhc34XMZV84bkIRKLnw83VY24q2rwn07Kt /LLVr0Trc5QZ74QOsE+aoQ4mRsDyxvDcZIIA552h3f/fdmuO0RuAZjUALkHJj4hznnXJ MfUKVBiB7/tevnK3XzxUB3Vjb0YMiov0sq3G4pcGRJzQu93XELmshlEaqiTN0cIwWOCu zOPw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532I6amSIpkJewBpXE7AaZSD7C14xA7v6rOHfLYGTUhiYSAPBHO9 YUwz4RGN7q1pmr9h0r4BrqJRiBR61U7Kbqib45s= X-Received: by 2002:a02:ca18:: with SMTP id i24mr3984955jak.70.1590306504893; Sun, 24 May 2020 00:48:24 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <10f4fb0b-1012-b0e6-af05-0aa5a906de21@redhat.com> <20200520193637.6015-1-ndesaulniers@google.com> In-Reply-To: Reply-To: sedat.dilek@gmail.com From: Sedat Dilek Date: Sun, 24 May 2020 09:48:13 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] Makefile: support compressed debug info To: Masahiro Yamada Cc: Nick Desaulniers , Fangrui Song , Nick Clifton , David Blaikie , Michal Marek , Andrew Morton , Changbin Du , Randy Dunlap , Stephen Rothwell , Mauro Carvalho Chehab , Anshuman Khandual , Krzysztof Kozlowski , Linux Kbuild mailing list , Linux Kernel Mailing List , clang-built-linux Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 5:57 AM Masahiro Yamada wrote: > > On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 6:57 AM 'Nick Desaulniers' via Clang Built > Linux wrote: > > > > On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 7:48 PM Masahiro Yamada wrote: > > > > > > > Suggested-by: Fangrui Song > > > > > > > > > Suggested-by -> Reviewed-by > > > > > > https://patchwork.kernel.org/patch/11524939/#23349551 > > > > Yes, my mistake. > > > > > > Suggested-by: Nick Clifton > > > > > > > > > I do not know where this tag came from. > > > > > > Nick Clifton taught us the version rule of binutils,but did not state > > > anything about this patch itself. > > > > > > https://patchwork.kernel.org/patch/11524939/#23355175 > > > > > > > > > > Suggested-by: Sedat Dilek > > > > > > I do not see the source of this tag, either... > > > > Not all contributions to open source need to be in the form of > > patches. Both Sedat and Nick gave suggestions which ultimately > > informed the contents of this patch. They should be rewarded for > > their efforts, and incentivized to help improve the code base further. > > I think suggested by tags are a good way to do that; but if it's > > against a written convention or if you still disagree, it's not the > > end of the world to me, and you may drop those tags from the v3. > > > Documentation/process/submitting-patches.rst > gives the guideline. > > > "A Suggested-by: tag indicates that the patch idea is suggested by the person > named and ensures credit to the person for the idea. Please note that this > tag should not be added without the reporter's permission, especially if the > idea was not posted in a public forum. That said, if we diligently credit our > idea reporters, they will, hopefully, be inspired to help us again in the > future." > > > I think this tag should be given to people who > gave the main idea to come up with > the main part of the patch. > > > Is that David Blaikie who suggested to > compress the debug info ? > If so, definitely he deserves to have Suggested-by tag. > > For the others, I do not think Suggested-by is a good fit. > > I appreciate their contribution to improve this patch. > So, maybe you can give credit in other form, for example, > mention it in the commit log explicitly? > > Nick Clifton helped us to provide the minimal binutils version. > Sedat Dilet found an increase in size of debug .deb package. > > > Thanks. Hi, first my last name is Dilek - just for the sake of completeness. No, it is not my first name as Dilek is a female Turkish first name, so I do not want to change my gender. So this discussions come up again and again. Thus some own words on this - this is my personal opinion. Like the author of Curl and DOH said at FOSDEM 2019 in Bruessel: I am doing all this work - first - for myself - in my build and developing environment. Very very egoistically! "Share knowledge aggressively!" ...was Nick's words at First ClangBuiltLinux Meetup in Zurich 2020. In a 2nd round I share my knowledge and I like this - that's why I am doing Open Source. For me it sounds like a "Suggested-by" tag or other credits like "Reviewed-by" have a higher value than a Tested-by tag. *** The opposite is the case. *** Here, I am on a Samsung SandyBridge CPU/GPU aka 2nd generation ultrabook series runing Debian/testing AMD64. A slightly modified Debian-kernel linux-config takes me approx. 5 (in words five) hours of compiling and generating Debian packages. Plus, testing. Plus, testing. Plus, testing. In Linux-next times I run the whole Linux-Test-Project tests plus some FIO tests. Finally, I decide depending from what is new and interesting to me to attend a full single Linux-kernel release cycle. The last was Linux v5.3 which was the first release to be compile/link-able - with no modifications - with LLVM/Clang/LLD v9.0. For upcoming Linux v5.7 I have built each single RC Linux-kernel and used it in my daily work! Since RC1 - for me running on bare metal counts - checking QEMU or other VM is nice - but showed me that says sometimes nothing. Plus, I am building llvm-toolchains (LLVM/Clang/LLD) and testing with them (and report if needed). "...if we diligently credit our idea reporters, they will, hopefully, be inspired to help us again in the future." These are some motivating words... My Tested-by is like a certificate - like a "Made in Germany" seal :-). Virtual Greeting from North-West Germany, - Sedat -