Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1751435AbWCSF2w (ORCPT ); Sun, 19 Mar 2006 00:28:52 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1751448AbWCSF2v (ORCPT ); Sun, 19 Mar 2006 00:28:51 -0500 Received: from bee.hiwaay.net ([216.180.54.11]:7206 "EHLO bee.hiwaay.net") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1751439AbWCSF2v (ORCPT ); Sun, 19 Mar 2006 00:28:51 -0500 Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 23:28:47 -0600 From: Chris Adams To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: ext3_ordered_writepage() questions Message-ID: <20060319052847.GA1039471@hiwaay.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060319023610.GA4824@mail.shareable.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1256 Lines: 27 Once upon a time, Jamie Lokier said: >rsync is relevant only *after* the power cut, because it checks mtimes >to see if files are modified. The method by which rsync writes files >isn't relevant to this scenario. To simplify: substitute "rsync" with "backup program". Any backup software that maintains some type of index of what has been backed up (for incremental type backups) or even just backs up files modified since a particular date (e.g. "dump") can miss files modified shortly before a crash/power cut/unexpected shutdown. The data may get modified but since the mtime may not get updated, nothing can tell that the data has been modified. rsync is actually a special case, in that you could always force it to compare contents between two copies. Most backup software doesn't do that (especially tape backups). -- Chris Adams Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/