Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id ; Wed, 24 Oct 2001 02:01:15 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id ; Wed, 24 Oct 2001 02:01:05 -0400 Received: from vasquez.zip.com.au ([203.12.97.41]:12040 "EHLO vasquez.zip.com.au") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id ; Wed, 24 Oct 2001 02:00:51 -0400 Message-ID: <3BD657A5.B3846030@zip.com.au> Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 22:54:45 -0700 From: Andrew Morton X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.12-ac6 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Rick A. Hohensee" CC: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC: HOWTO: compromising Microsoft In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org "Rick A. Hohensee" wrote: > > The prominent proposed solutions to the Microsoft problem I have seen and > which are apparently currently under arbitration are narrow, superficial, > will not provide a substantive general remedy, shackle Microsoft to no > real benefit, and will lead to horrible complexities further degrading the > possible effectiveness of said remedies. Interested nations have an > approach available that can be implemented unilaterally by legislation or > by executive order, which solution will be measured, just, and effective. > The executive branch of the USA has brought and won the right case, albeit > a bit late, and the judiciary ruled correctly, to the extent that it has > ruled so far, but the judiciary is having difficulty finishing the job. > Of course, it is quite correct for a government to move very deliberately > in such matters, but a plague on creativity requires a very creative cure, > which is not the usual milieu of the courts. > > The protections a civilized world provides for owners of intellectual > property are among the most fundamental to civilization itself, and are > therefor almost universally agreed upon via the Berne Treaty, but are > based on several assumptions that do not pertain in the case of Microsoft. > The fundamental tacit assumption of copyright protection is that the > protected party is not incessantly criminal or utterly devoid of ethics. > Given that crime can cause the duly convicted to lose any and all rights, > it does not at all follow that the authors of the USA itself expected > copyright to be absolute or inviolate, nor is it reasonable to assume that > "for limited times" in the Constitution is restricted to "always the same > time limits, above some minimum". In particular, "Below some maximum, in > specific particularly obnoxious or highly economically interdependant > cases" is equally admissible under the Constitution if it promotes the > general welfare. So it will in this case. > > Consider legislation declaring Microsoft operating system products to be > "specifically compromised intellectual property". The "compromise" is to > allow anyone to "reverse-engineer" and resell Microsoft operating system > products no less than five years after thier release dates, on a > permanent, continuing, version-by-version basis. If such a law were > enacted today that would mean that e.g. Windows 95 and earlier are fair > game for modification and/or reselling by others as of today, as are early > versions of NT, I believe. Windows 98 and later would still be exclusively > Microsoft's protected property for a couple years. This is the measured > approach to take, measured against, and in the units of, the industry in > question. Five years is a long time for a great engine of innovation. I > believe a five year product lag of this nature will destroy Microsoft, > unless they rapidly become the great engine of innovation they so ardently > pose as. However, this scenario has clear advantages for Microsoft even as > they exist now versus other proposals. Meanwhile, viable alternatives to > Microsoft as a source of operating systems for PCs can reasonably be > expected to arise rapidly. This approach puts Microsoft in level > competition with thier own past, thier only possible source of substantive > competition in the short term. > > The advantages to Microsoft are that this approach leaves them as the > pilot of thier own compromised ship, the sole architects of all thier own > products, the sole judge of what should be in a Microsoft OS and what > shouldn't, and otherwise spares them from government micromanagement. > Government involvement would be very limited, stating what is and is not > bundled. For example, MSN-related client software is bundled and > compromisable, the MSN network itself isn't. Et cetera. This leaves them > free to be thier rusticly charming proprietary selves vis-a-vis the > products they have not yet bundled into Windows, such as (last I heard,) > Office, which reflects the idea that the operating system has > public-interest aspects that ancillary products may not. Thus Internet > Explorer and so on would be subject to compromise in due time. > > As a programmer and musician I am revolted when Microsoft and similar pose > as defenders of intellectual property rights. I feel that the Constitution > meant something other than exactly what we have now when speaking of > "...to Authors and Inventors...". Note the use of "Authors", not "Owners". > Certainly, authors need to be able to sell thier works if copyrights are > to have material value, which is essential, but a fair price to an > individual idea-peddler assumes a free market, and free of bullying > especially. There's something very wrong when the loudest proponents of > "intellectual property rights" have never produced any important > intellectual property. Ideas have the very least need for monopoly. Ideas > are not municipal utilities. Ideas need to be planted in numerous > environments to continue to evolve. Civilization requires this. > > As an American, I sincerely hope the USA does the right thing here, and > continues to be a leader in such matters, rather than leaving the > initiative to someone like, for example, The People's Republic of China, > even though I personally have no desire to use Windows or variants thereof > from any source, in any flavor, at any price. To potential vendors or > political patrons of "compromised Windows", I note that this proposal and > Microsoft itself are scabs on a flawed market paradigm. A better overall > approach to charging for, and compensating authors of, software for > personal computing use is the cLIeNUX membership model. > > Rick Hohensee > John Marshall Park, D.C. > ftp://linux01.gwdg.de/pub/cLIeNUX/descriptive > > - > To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in > the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org > More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html > Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/ You forgot to include the patch. Please resend. - - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/