Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1751710AbWCUNiS (ORCPT ); Tue, 21 Mar 2006 08:38:18 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1751711AbWCUNiS (ORCPT ); Tue, 21 Mar 2006 08:38:18 -0500 Received: from mail24.syd.optusnet.com.au ([211.29.133.165]:55452 "EHLO mail24.syd.optusnet.com.au") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1751709AbWCUNiR (ORCPT ); Tue, 21 Mar 2006 08:38:17 -0500 From: Con Kolivas To: Mike Galbraith Subject: Re: interactive task starvation Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 00:37:51 +1100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 Cc: Ingo Molnar , Willy Tarreau , lkml , Andrew Morton , bugsplatter@gmail.com References: <200603090036.49915.kernel@kolivas.org> <200603220013.15870.kernel@kolivas.org> <1142948000.7807.63.camel@homer> In-Reply-To: <1142948000.7807.63.camel@homer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200603220037.52258.kernel@kolivas.org> Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1537 Lines: 30 On Wednesday 22 March 2006 00:33, Mike Galbraith wrote: > On Wed, 2006-03-22 at 00:13 +1100, Con Kolivas wrote: > > On Wednesday 22 March 2006 00:10, Mike Galbraith wrote: > > > How long should Willy be able to scroll without feeling the background, > > > and how long should Apache be able to starve his shell. They are one > > > and the same, and I can't say, because I'm not Willy. I don't know how > > > to get there from here without tunables. Picking defaults is one > > > thing, but I don't know how to make it one-size-fits-all. For the > > > general case, the values delivered will work fine. For the apache > > > case, they absolutely 100% guaranteed will not. > > > > So how do you propose we tune such a beast then? Apache users will use > > off, everyone else will have no idea but to use the defaults. > > Set for desktop, which is intended to mostly emulate what we have right > now, which most people are quite happy with. The throttle will still > nail most of the corner cases, and the other adjustments nail the > majority of what's left. That leaves the hefty server type loads as > what certainly will require tuning. They always need tuning. That still sounds like just on/off to me. Default for desktop and 0,0 for server. Am I missing something? Cheers, Con - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/