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Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.8.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20200611073804.10225-1-sjpark@amazon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On 11. 06. 20, 9:38, SeongJae Park wrote: > On Wed, 10 Jun 2020 23:35:24 -0700 Joe Perches wrote: > >> On Thu, 2020-06-11 at 08:25 +0200, SeongJae Park wrote: >>> From: SeongJae Park >>> >>> This patchset 1) adds support of deprecated terms in the 'checkpatch.pl' >>> and 2) set the 'blacklist' and 'whitelist' as deprecated with >>> replacement suggestion of 'denylist' and 'allowlist', because the >>> suggestions are incontrovertible, doesn't make people hurt, and more >>> self-explanatory. >> >> While the checkpatch implementation is better, >> I'm still very "meh" about the whole concept. > > I can understand your concerns about politic things in the second patch. > However, the concept of the 'deprecated terms' in the first patch is not > political but applicable to the general cases. We already had the commits[1] > for a similar case. So, could you ack for at least the first patch? > > [1] https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linux-Kernel-Hugs Fuck you! replaced by hug you! is a completely different story. The former is indeed offending to majority (despite it's quite common to tell someone "fuck you" in my subregion; OTOH hugging, no way -- I'm a straight non-communist). If it turns out that any word (e.g. blacklist) offends _majority_ (or at least a significant part of it) of some minority or culture, then sure, we should send it to /dev/null. But we should by no means listen to extreme individuals. thanks, -- js suse labs