Received: by 2002:a05:6902:102b:0:0:0:0 with SMTP id x11csp1451363ybt; Mon, 15 Jun 2020 00:03:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzW6s84ALdPe2XkL0I7zs7lZeH4pPZRf+0lND+YzdqZWoK+IpJ4E83m99tpVDltAaqx7dyZ X-Received: by 2002:aa7:cd12:: with SMTP id b18mr22864701edw.195.1592204598119; Mon, 15 Jun 2020 00:03:18 -0700 (PDT) ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; t=1592204598; cv=none; d=google.com; s=arc-20160816; b=wZ02FWWrHc8pttV+lwLaY9a81gtugOFFgboMVeml7Le6zv3eOP33ZPRpN7ae8g6HQx LdzZJAOYNXjtPR903uigqFtlp7DryZxL8vkAHhs6uqU2LKfs/GhqsuieO+8xephNI0pC 2ST9wpRMD0foheOw2COK8OqcOV4yyA5TbLZpxnoEozytle23e+9+O6JUV2GiAEXtA8JM QAflp36thzIimT6Gvcl3DZnAoAoM9q0alOnLiTGjQT1vD1KCsjfxrkF6x39/w40FMpHZ H3sG1qDhy8Nci7BlDe8Xqbzsd7GHmATiZSWUyNJY9SZIxMJEcWM4mQ/XTJP9sOoIB2RP TJmg== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=arc-20160816; h=list-id:precedence:sender:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version :user-agent:references:in-reply-to:date:cc:to:from:subject :message-id; bh=sj/wJT/RP6WfImY/+WrJKa3ZcFXLlxzzt9OVmWlQJ7A=; b=klMY200o12NWTTdiqlpPLmXAGBZ7e9IUlrDdhlEQq+ihx4WFOiyMOhLbWr/oA2D7YY Loqqw0KW/+CaWTTPfw8lSXZ/Sd7r3NElFbbHkgC+cs5V9DEvk0r80cTAoAfNrMc3L9Xu TLHC9B335cBjazz2dDE7NQwTt0NfXkV1OP0Dicl4/7m/9l3O5oQVn7BwA9kYIx8AEkHc dx6BnIpV9WzfjYQGm0xyQW9KYbfwzxkMyXtyaTmFu2Av7bAXYnK0oOXWNTjGmk2PhfBt j2uTA5VfzF8gV6YayCTJ3UwMAftDpU2Kori6R7FVNDqLLyMg3m664EhzwbsH8jzlBpDC BxXw== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 23.128.96.18 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Return-Path: Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org. [23.128.96.18]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id gr2si8785329ejb.221.2020.06.15.00.02.56; Mon, 15 Jun 2020 00:03:18 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 23.128.96.18 as permitted sender) client-ip=23.128.96.18; Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 23.128.96.18 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1728422AbgFOHBI (ORCPT + 99 others); Mon, 15 Jun 2020 03:01:08 -0400 Received: from smtprelay0159.hostedemail.com ([216.40.44.159]:58888 "EHLO smtprelay.hostedemail.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-FAIL) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1728251AbgFOHBG (ORCPT ); Mon, 15 Jun 2020 03:01:06 -0400 Received: from filter.hostedemail.com (clb03-v110.bra.tucows.net [216.40.38.60]) by smtprelay07.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51DF9181D3025; Mon, 15 Jun 2020 07:00:59 +0000 (UTC) X-Session-Marker: 6A6F6540706572636865732E636F6D X-Spam-Summary: 2,0,0,,d41d8cd98f00b204,joe@perches.com,,RULES_HIT:41:355:379:599:988:989:1260:1277:1311:1313:1314:1345:1359:1437:1515:1516:1518:1534:1537:1566:1593:1594:1711:1714:1730:1747:1777:1792:2393:2559:2562:2828:2919:3138:3139:3140:3141:3142:3622:3865:3867:3871:3873:4321:5007:8957:10004:10400:11232:11658:11914:12297:12740:12760:12895:13069:13255:13311:13357:13439:14659:21080:21627:30054:30091,0,RBL:none,CacheIP:none,Bayesian:0.5,0.5,0.5,Netcheck:none,DomainCache:0,MSF:not bulk,SPF:,MSBL:0,DNSBL:none,Custom_rules:0:0:0,LFtime:1,LUA_SUMMARY:none X-HE-Tag: sand89_221708e26df4 X-Filterd-Recvd-Size: 1330 Received: from XPS-9350.home (unknown [47.151.136.130]) (Authenticated sender: joe@perches.com) by omf11.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA; Mon, 15 Jun 2020 07:00:57 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <404b3a391bd73acfc29f65d14b1586905ee5103c.camel@perches.com> Subject: Re: Re: [PATCH v4 0/2] Recommend denylist/allowlist instead of blacklist/whitelist From: Joe Perches To: SeongJae Park , Pavel Machek Cc: Jiri Slaby , Michael Ellerman , akpm@linux-foundation.org, apw@canonical.com, SeongJae Park , colin.king@canonical.com, sj38.park@gmail.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2020 00:00:56 -0700 In-Reply-To: <20200615064631.18910-1-sjpark@amazon.com> References: <20200615064631.18910-1-sjpark@amazon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" User-Agent: Evolution 3.36.2-0ubuntu1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Mon, 2020-06-15 at 08:46 +0200, SeongJae Park wrote: > So, I agree this patch is imperfect for many cases, but better than nothing. Not necessarily. Having people strain for unusual equivalents to generally well known terms is not good. blacklist/whitelist is well understood. Would you do the same for red/black?