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Subject: Re: [PATCH 14/15] net: phy: add PHY regulator support
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On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 06:27:06PM +0200, Bartosz Golaszewski wrote:
> wt., 23 cze 2020 o 11:56 Russell King - ARM Linux admin
> <linux@armlinux.org.uk> napisał(a):
> >
> > On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 11:46:15AM +0200, Bartosz Golaszewski wrote:
> > > wt., 23 cze 2020 o 11:43 Russell King - ARM Linux admin
> > > <linux@armlinux.org.uk> napisał(a):
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 11:41:11AM +0200, Bartosz Golaszewski wrote:
> > > > > pon., 22 cze 2020 o 15:29 Russell King - ARM Linux admin
> > > > > <linux@armlinux.org.uk> napisał(a):
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > [snip!]
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This is likely to cause issues for some PHY drivers.  Note that we have
> > > > > > some PHY drivers which register a temperature sensor in the probe
> > > > > > function, which means they can be accessed independently of the lifetime
> > > > > > of the PHY bound to the network driver (which may only be while the
> > > > > > network device is "up".)  We certainly do not want hwmon failing just
> > > > > > because the network device is down.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > That's kind of worked around for the reset stuff, because there are two
> > > > > > layers to that: the mdio device layer reset support which knows nothing
> > > > > > of the PHY binding state to the network driver, and the phylib reset
> > > > > > support, but it is not nice.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Regulators are reference counted so if the hwmon driver enables it
> > > > > using mdio_device_power_on() it will stay on even after the PHY driver
> > > > > calls phy_device_power_off(), right? Am I missing something?
> > > >
> > > > If that is true, you will need to audit the PHY drivers to add that.
> > > >
> > >
> > > This change doesn't have any effect on devices which don't have a
> > > regulator assigned in DT though. The one I'm adding in the last patch
> > > is the first to use this.
> >
> > It's quality of implementation.
> >
> > Should we wait for someone else to make use of the new regulator
> > support that has been added with a PHY that uses hwmon, and they
> > don't realise that it breaks hwmon on it, and several kernel versions
> > go by without it being noticed.  It will only be a noticable issue
> > when the associated network device is down, and that network device
> > driver detaches from the PHY, so _is_ likely not to be noticed.
> >
> > Or should we do a small amount of work now to properly implement
> > regulator support, which includes a trivial grep for "hwmon" amongst
> > the PHY drivers, and add the necessary call to avoid the regulator
> > being shut off.
> >
> 
> I'm not sure what the correct approach is here. Provide some helper
> that, when called, would increase the regulator's reference count even
> more to keep it enabled from the moment hwmon is registered to when
> the driver is detached?

I think a PHY driver needs the utility to control this.  We need to be
careful here with naming, because phylib is not the only code in the
kernel that uses the phy_ prefix.

If we had runtime PM support for PHYs, with regulator support hooked
into runtime PM, then we already have standard interfaces that drivers
can use to control whether the device gets powered down.

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