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[178.164.237.246]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id l18sm26362320wrm.52.2020.07.06.17.48.26 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 06 Jul 2020 17:48:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Tibor Raschko Subject: Re: [Tech-board-discuss] [PATCH] CodingStyle: Inclusive Terminology To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Cc: torvalds@linux-foundation.org, ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org, Greg Kroah-Hartman , Mark Brown , tech-board-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org References: <20200706191555.GD6176@sirena.org.uk> Message-ID: <44713cf0-db41-bdd0-a41e-d710c346be12@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2020 02:48:25 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20200706191555.GD6176@sirena.org.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org > More generally etymological arguments are just not super relevant here > anyway, the issues people have are around current perceptions rather > than where things came from. This is where ignoring etymology in this case falls apart, claiming that the current meaning is more important than the historical one. Yes it should be more important, but it suggests that the current meaning is negative, which it is not. In computer science (context!) these words do not have any negative perception or connotation, and people in this field know this. Yes, outsiders might not know this and could misunderstand them. But since when do experts in computer science (or in any field of science for the matter) care if a layman can correctly understand the field's technical terms? We never did and never will, except in this particular case for some odd reason. Be honest: "blacklist" is a technical term where the actual meaning has no negative connotation despite what people outside the field might think. But apparently we don't care about the actual meaning. We also don't care about the historical meaning or etymology. We only care about... well if not about the meaning in the past or present, then I don't know what. Looking good in the media?