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[23.128.96.18]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id i3si8988999ejk.97.2020.07.13.08.07.03; Mon, 13 Jul 2020 08:07:26 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 23.128.96.18 as permitted sender) client-ip=23.128.96.18; Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; dkim=fail header.i=@hansenpartnership.com header.s=20151216 header.b=Vj+10LYg; dkim=fail header.i=@hansenpartnership.com header.s=20151216 header.b=Vj+10LYg; spf=pass (google.com: domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 23.128.96.18 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org; dmarc=fail (p=NONE sp=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=hansenpartnership.com Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1729889AbgGMPGy (ORCPT + 99 others); Mon, 13 Jul 2020 11:06:54 -0400 Received: from bedivere.hansenpartnership.com ([66.63.167.143]:33838 "EHLO bedivere.hansenpartnership.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1729844AbgGMPGx (ORCPT ); Mon, 13 Jul 2020 11:06:53 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bedivere.hansenpartnership.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C81808EE2A2; Mon, 13 Jul 2020 08:06:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=hansenpartnership.com; s=20151216; t=1594652812; bh=Wv28Q89o7zHc6Vbye8fvipuLhXUbfn/tNh6dihLUgYo=; h=Subject:From:To:Cc:Date:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=Vj+10LYgvpVxNV9mMHAIMEKUcWsvjvWTiCRT2Rc4m2JcWnKIBuHWwKXmcOSeUUSB0 qhfLGQC0oyEWNdy3sXjvAiZV+zsO56kgfmlTqeIwMK9hjiGkF7K+kF9YBYT6JIPtl8 U8UwpMMyjSHTiLyPKQ18A+/rfrsdNFJXA8xXCqes= Received: from bedivere.hansenpartnership.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (bedivere.hansenpartnership.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IwuWQz25J0Fo; Mon, 13 Jul 2020 08:06:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [153.66.254.194] (unknown [50.35.76.230]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by bedivere.hansenpartnership.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1758B8EE051; Mon, 13 Jul 2020 08:06:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=hansenpartnership.com; s=20151216; t=1594652812; bh=Wv28Q89o7zHc6Vbye8fvipuLhXUbfn/tNh6dihLUgYo=; h=Subject:From:To:Cc:Date:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=Vj+10LYgvpVxNV9mMHAIMEKUcWsvjvWTiCRT2Rc4m2JcWnKIBuHWwKXmcOSeUUSB0 qhfLGQC0oyEWNdy3sXjvAiZV+zsO56kgfmlTqeIwMK9hjiGkF7K+kF9YBYT6JIPtl8 U8UwpMMyjSHTiLyPKQ18A+/rfrsdNFJXA8xXCqes= Message-ID: <1594652811.3750.7.camel@HansenPartnership.com> Subject: Re: [Tech-board-discuss] [Ksummit-discuss] [PATCH v3] CodingStyle: Inclusive Terminology From: James Bottomley To: Takashi Iwai , Dan Williams Cc: ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org, Greg Kroah-Hartman , SeongJae Park , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, tech-board-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org, Dave Airlie , Christian Brauner , Dan Carpenter Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 08:06:51 -0700 In-Reply-To: References: <159423201991.2466245.8461410729774664077.stgit@dwillia2-desk3.amr.corp.intel.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.26.6 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Mon, 2020-07-13 at 10:02 +0200, Takashi Iwai wrote: > On Wed, 08 Jul 2020 20:14:27 +0200, > Dan Williams wrote: > > > > +Recommended replacements for 'blacklist/whitelist' are: > > + 'denylist / allowlist' > > + 'blocklist / passlist' > > I started looking through the tree now and noticed there are lots of > patterns like "whitelisted" or "blacklisted". How can the words fit > for those? Actually, there are two cases like: > > - Foo is blacklisted > - Allow to load the non-whitelisted cards > > Currently I'm replacing the former with "Foo is in denylist", but not > sure about the latter case. I thought Kees mentioned about this, but > don't remember the proposal... Remember these are suggestions for going forwards, not requirements for changing everything. We tend to be a community that likes make work projects because they're easier to do than solving the hard problems, but since we have over 100k occurrences of the various words in the kernel, changing them all would cause massive churn and disrupt forward development, which would cause way more harm than any gain from the change. James