Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1030298AbWEDT0n (ORCPT ); Thu, 4 May 2006 15:26:43 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1030302AbWEDT0n (ORCPT ); Thu, 4 May 2006 15:26:43 -0400 Received: from atlrel9.hp.com ([156.153.255.214]:62132 "EHLO atlrel9.hp.com") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1030298AbWEDT0m (ORCPT ); Thu, 4 May 2006 15:26:42 -0400 From: Bjorn Helgaas To: Arjan van de Ven Subject: Re: Add a "enable" sysfs attribute to the pci devices to allow userspace (Xorg) to enable devices without doing foul direct access Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 13:26:36 -0600 User-Agent: KMail/1.8.3 Cc: linux-pci@atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz, Dave Airlie , Andrew Morton , greg@kroah.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, pjones@redhat.com References: <1146300385.3125.3.camel@laptopd505.fenrus.org> <200605041309.53910.bjorn.helgaas@hp.com> <445A51F1.9040500@linux.intel.com> In-Reply-To: <445A51F1.9040500@linux.intel.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200605041326.36518.bjorn.helgaas@hp.com> Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1742 Lines: 33 On Thursday 04 May 2006 13:11, Arjan van de Ven wrote: > Bjorn Helgaas wrote: > > On Saturday 29 April 2006 03:04, Dave Airlie wrote: > >>> This patch adds an "enable" sysfs attribute to each PCI device. When read it > >>> shows the "enabled-ness" of the device, but you can write a "0" into it to > >>> disable a device, and a "1" to enable it. > >>> > >>> This later is needed for X and other cases where userspace wants to enable > >>> the BARs on a device (typical example: to run the video bios on a secundary > >>> head). Right now X does all this "by hand" via bitbanging, that's just evil. > >>> This allows X to no longer do that but to just let the kernel do this. > > > > I'm all in favor of cleaning up X. But making the X code prettier without > > changing the underlying issues of claiming and sharing resources doesn't > > help much. In fact, I suspect the ultimate plan for X does not involve > > an "enable" attribute in sysfs, so this may just introduce ABI cruft that > > will be difficult to remove later. > > it goes well beyond X. Things like vbetool need this too to get to the content > of the rom for example. There are several other such cases... There's already a "rom" file in sysfs. Could vbetool and friends use that? How do vbetool and X coordinate their usage of "enable"? What if we throw an in-kernel VGA driver into the mix? But I guess Jon has asked all these questions before; I just didn't get warm fuzzies that there were safe, maintainable answers. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/