Received: by 2002:a25:e74b:0:0:0:0:0 with SMTP id e72csp2167654ybh; Fri, 17 Jul 2020 10:54:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwYgO/t+K34D7gibPlunrjuajaObrF3YxGgx+MhU4EZajTKJo0ZPWS7V3u0QnvpvtZehvI0 X-Received: by 2002:a17:906:6606:: with SMTP id b6mr10139167ejp.102.1595008448138; Fri, 17 Jul 2020 10:54:08 -0700 (PDT) ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; t=1595008448; cv=none; d=google.com; s=arc-20160816; b=PonO3JSTIWzLxNn1HmRdwgpIk8m5zR7jpMW0OlM7UK1WeSnyLjntjWWqv/ixnYQQam h8jVWX2NhaU9bE6QQrIcktFQRUeQRBRgITSBefL/NmhlULM/ukhkIFuqK//nqSrEgA3G o0LMTieleOXgOkqVqj/DMApRSFWdoe/5yEgl8/xDLXRMD6QNnTG5N6knpnQ6PJ7TckWO fILGaQA75diz/3i5D2ZX6FE21fRA1GlPBlP2Cb4K1ywy6S+7pn1TivAzU0HaaqPF6s1o KvjgQMFiXM0eUb+9kwgCDL/Z1+WiJ1AFeP+m8aPtIgSRURcVGaVHy1ZGGT5GVwR8kSFl DKWQ== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=arc-20160816; h=list-id:precedence:sender:user-agent:in-reply-to :content-disposition:mime-version:references:message-id:subject:cc :to:from:date; bh=S+8AGxhZMwqzwULWaXOlfbRLkf/b9G98m6UylbS3CD8=; b=PajSQDx/wPabQI+3EkQSDwycXxHyRxNrUjYpzfSsrl9Pe/+QS8+eGF4xpqgy3FYPkB pbusE3l1Pt2ObuL6eBQEmHKYe3fWrY86jGrOiJhtcCfw0wcmdXjydpE7sR/1OiDlPVtq qwu/n6AtLJaI8ZfPDzgkEQmT9Ti3DFgWly43rKa+ZQh1FjyCkX8GHkvGXO8ChwB7xTBm /f7776HotcBXYd2UqxRDIxPBSqCvJ9ju7hstdmECn1Trd4lM1phdkl3hTW41D70bQiim RycPvy5Ekb7yaIXQ87DMTHNLc5c/7DUOG/HBsJrX30YU4QM+/yxiMazyp4g3nU3Y45if eMyg== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 23.128.96.18 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Return-Path: Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org. [23.128.96.18]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id a11si5740839edy.356.2020.07.17.10.53.45; Fri, 17 Jul 2020 10:54:08 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 23.128.96.18 as permitted sender) client-ip=23.128.96.18; Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 23.128.96.18 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1726359AbgGQRvk (ORCPT + 99 others); Fri, 17 Jul 2020 13:51:40 -0400 Received: from netrider.rowland.org ([192.131.102.5]:36279 "HELO netrider.rowland.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with SMTP id S1727101AbgGQRvj (ORCPT ); Fri, 17 Jul 2020 13:51:39 -0400 Received: (qmail 1157221 invoked by uid 1000); 17 Jul 2020 13:51:38 -0400 Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 13:51:38 -0400 From: Alan Stern To: Matthew Wilcox Cc: Eric Biggers , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-arch@vger.kernel.org, "Paul E . McKenney" , linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, Akira Yokosawa , Andrea Parri , Boqun Feng , Daniel Lustig , "Darrick J . Wong" , Dave Chinner , David Howells , Jade Alglave , Luc Maranget , Nicholas Piggin , Peter Zijlstra , Will Deacon Subject: Re: [PATCH] tools/memory-model: document the "one-time init" pattern Message-ID: <20200717175138.GB1156312@rowland.harvard.edu> References: <20200717044427.68747-1-ebiggers@kernel.org> <20200717174750.GQ12769@casper.infradead.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20200717174750.GQ12769@casper.infradead.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 06:47:50PM +0100, Matthew Wilcox wrote: > On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 09:44:27PM -0700, Eric Biggers wrote: ... > > + /* on success, pairs with smp_load_acquire() above and below */ > > + if (cmpxchg_release(&foo, NULL, p) != NULL) { > > Why do we have cmpxchg_release() anyway? Under what circumstances is > cmpxchg() useful _without_ having release semantics? To answer just the last question: cmpxchg() is useful for lock acquisition, in which case it needs to have acquire semantics rather than release semantics. Alan Stern