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Date:   Fri, 17 Jul 2020 18:02:47 -0700
From:   Eric Biggers <ebiggers@kernel.org>
To:     Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH] tools/memory-model: document the "one-time init" pattern
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On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 01:51:38PM -0400, Alan Stern wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 06:47:50PM +0100, Matthew Wilcox wrote:
> > On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 09:44:27PM -0700, Eric Biggers wrote:
> ...
> > > +		/* on success, pairs with smp_load_acquire() above and below */
> > > +		if (cmpxchg_release(&foo, NULL, p) != NULL) {
> > 
> > Why do we have cmpxchg_release() anyway?  Under what circumstances is
> > cmpxchg() useful _without_ having release semantics?
> 
> To answer just the last question: cmpxchg() is useful for lock 
> acquisition, in which case it needs to have acquire semantics rather 
> than release semantics.
> 

To clarify, there are 4 versions of cmpxchg:

	cmpxchg(): does ACQUIRE and RELEASE (on success)
	cmpxchg_acquire(): does ACQUIRE only (on success)
	cmpxchg_release(): does RELEASE only (on success)
	cmpxchg_relaxed(): no barriers

The problem here is that here we need RELEASE on success and ACQUIRE on failure.
But no version guarantees any barrier on failure.

So as far as I can tell, the best we can do is use cmpxchg_release() (or
cmpxchg() which would be stronger but unnecessary), followed by a separate
ACQUIRE on failure.

- Eric