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Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 4/7] x86: use exit_lazy_tlb rather than
 membarrier_mm_sync_core_before_usermode
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----- On Jul 21, 2020, at 11:19 AM, Peter Zijlstra peterz@infradead.org wrote:

> On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 11:15:13AM -0400, Mathieu Desnoyers wrote:
>> ----- On Jul 21, 2020, at 11:06 AM, Peter Zijlstra peterz@infradead.org wrote:
>> 
>> > On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 08:04:27PM +1000, Nicholas Piggin wrote:
>> > 
>> >> That being said, the x86 sync core gap that I imagined could be fixed
>> >> by changing to rq->curr == rq->idle test does not actually exist because
>> >> the global membarrier does not have a sync core option. So fixing the
>> >> exit_lazy_tlb points that this series does *should* fix that. So
>> >> PF_KTHREAD may be less problematic than I thought from implementation
>> >> point of view, only semantics.
>> > 
>> > So I've been trying to figure out where that PF_KTHREAD comes from,
>> > commit 227a4aadc75b ("sched/membarrier: Fix p->mm->membarrier_state racy
>> > load") changed 'p->mm' to '!(p->flags & PF_KTHREAD)'.
>> > 
>> > So the first version:
>> > 
>> >  https://lkml.kernel.org/r/20190906031300.1647-5-mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com
>> > 
>> > appears to unconditionally send the IPI and checks p->mm in the IPI
>> > context, but then v2:
>> > 
>> >  https://lkml.kernel.org/r/20190908134909.12389-1-mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com
>> > 
>> > has the current code. But I've been unable to find the reason the
>> > 'p->mm' test changed into '!(p->flags & PF_KTHREAD)'.
>> 
>> Looking back at my inbox, it seems like you are the one who proposed to
>> skip all kthreads:
>> 
>> https://lkml.kernel.org/r/20190904124333.GQ2332@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net
> 
> I had a feeling it might've been me ;-) I just couldn't find the email.
> 
>> > The comment doesn't really help either; sure we have the whole lazy mm
>> > thing, but that's ->active_mm, not ->mm.
>> > 
>> > Possibly it is because {,un}use_mm() do not have sufficient barriers to
>> > make the remote p->mm test work? Or were we over-eager with the !p->mm
>> > doesn't imply kthread 'cleanups' at the time?
>> 
>> The nice thing about adding back kthreads to the threads considered for
>> membarrier
>> IPI is that it has no observable effect on the user-space ABI. No pre-existing
>> kthread
>> rely on this, and we just provide an additional guarantee for future kthread
>> implementations.
>> 
>> > Also, I just realized, I still have a fix for use_mm() now
>> > kthread_use_mm() that seems to have been lost.
>> 
>> I suspect we need to at least document the memory barriers in kthread_use_mm and
>> kthread_unuse_mm to state that they are required by membarrier if we want to
>> ipi kthreads as well.
> 
> Right, so going by that email you found it was mostly a case of being
> lazy, but yes, if we audit the kthread_{,un}use_mm() barriers and add
> any other bits that might be needed, covering kthreads should be
> possible.
> 
> No objections from me for making it so.

I'm OK on making membarrier cover kthreads using mm as well, provided we
audit kthread_{,un}use_mm() to make sure the proper barriers are in place
after setting task->mm and before clearing it.

Thanks,

Mathieu


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