Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 14:45:26 +0200
From: Willy Tarreau <willy@w.ods.org>
To: Neil Brown <neilb@suse.de>
Cc: Stefan Smietanowski <stesmi@stesmi.com>,
       Douglas McNaught <doug@mcnaught.org>,
       Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>,
       Mark Rosenstand <mark@borkware.net>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Executable shell scripts
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On Sat, May 13, 2006 at 09:37:45PM +1000, Neil Brown wrote:
> On Saturday May 13, stesmi@stesmi.com wrote:
> > > 
> > > Every Unix I've ever seen works this way.  It'd be nice to have
> > > unreadable executable scripts, but no one's ever done it.
> > 
> > The solution would be to either stick bash in the kernel (YUCK!)
> > or to have the kernel basically copy the read-only script to /tmp
> > or somewhere else, set permissions to sane values and
> > /bin/sh /tmp/foo.a12345.
> 
> ... or open the script file (which there kernel has to do anyway),
> attach it to some unused fd (e.g. fd3) and pass  "/dev/fd/3" to the
> interpreter rather than "/the/shell/script".
> 
> Then the interpreter doesn't need to be able to open the file for
> read.

Not exactly, because people who would like to set their scripts to 111
will also set the shell to 111, which makes the process non-dumpable,
with /dev/fd/3 unreachable (it's a link to /proc/self/fd).

> However it isn't clear that this is really a gain, as the person
> running the script could use ptrace or similar to take a copy of the
> script, the bypassing the missing 'r' permission.
> 
> Mind you, with ptrace, it isn't too hard to get a copy of a normal
> executable that is mode '111'....
> 
> The whole concept of having files that are executable but not readable
> is completely broken - it gives the appearance of protection without
> the reality.
> 
> NeilBrown

Cheers,
Willy

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