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Date:   Mon, 10 Aug 2020 13:39:31 -0400
From:   Joel Fernandes <joel@joelfernandes.org>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 1/5] rcu/tree: Add a warning if CPU being onlined did
 not report QS already
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On Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 08:46:54AM -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 07, 2020 at 01:07:18PM -0400, Joel Fernandes (Google) wrote:
> > Currently, rcu_cpu_starting() checks to see if the RCU core expects a
> > quiescent state from the incoming CPU.  However, the current interaction
> > between RCU quiescent-state reporting and CPU-hotplug operations should
> > mean that the incoming CPU never needs to report a quiescent state.
> > First, the outgoing CPU reports a quiescent state if needed.  Second,
> > the race where the CPU is leaving just as RCU is initializing a new
> > grace period is handled by an explicit check for this condition.  Third,
> > the CPU's leaf rcu_node structure's ->lock serializes these checks.
> > 
> > This means that if rcu_cpu_starting() ever feels the need to report
> > a quiescent state, then there is a bug somewhere in the CPU hotplug
> > code or the RCU grace-period handling code.  This commit therefore
> > adds a WARN_ON_ONCE() to bring that bug to everyone's attention.
> > 
> > Cc: Paul E. McKenney <paulmck@kernel.org>
> > Cc: Neeraj Upadhyay <neeraju@codeaurora.org>
> > Suggested-by: Paul E. McKenney <paulmck@kernel.org>
> > Signed-off-by: Joel Fernandes (Google) <joel@joelfernandes.org>
> > ---
> >  kernel/rcu/tree.c | 9 ++++++++-
> >  1 file changed, 8 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-)
> > 
> > diff --git a/kernel/rcu/tree.c b/kernel/rcu/tree.c
> > index 65e1b5e92319..a49fa3b60faa 100644
> > --- a/kernel/rcu/tree.c
> > +++ b/kernel/rcu/tree.c
> > @@ -3996,7 +3996,14 @@ void rcu_cpu_starting(unsigned int cpu)
> >  	rcu_gpnum_ovf(rnp, rdp); /* Offline-induced counter wrap? */
> >  	rdp->rcu_onl_gp_seq = READ_ONCE(rcu_state.gp_seq);
> >  	rdp->rcu_onl_gp_flags = READ_ONCE(rcu_state.gp_flags);
> > -	if (rnp->qsmask & mask) { /* RCU waiting on incoming CPU? */
> > +
> > +	/*
> > +	 * XXX: The following rcu_report_qs_rnp() is redundant. If the below
> > +	 * warning does not fire, consider replacing it with the "else" block,
> > +	 * by June 2021 or so (while keeping the warning). Refer to RCU's
> > +	 * Requirements documentation for the rationale.
> 
> Let's suppose that this change is made, and further that in a year or
> two the "if" statement below is replaced with its "else" block.
> 
> Now let's suppose that (some years after that) a hard-to-trigger bug
> makes its way into RCU's CPU-hotplug code that would have resulted in
> the WARN_ON_ONCE() triggering, but that this bug turns out to be not so
> hard to trigger in certain large production environments.
> 
> Let's suppose further that you have moved on to where you are responsible
> for one of these large production environments.  How would this
> hypothetical RCU/CPU-hotplug bug manifest?

It could manifest as an RCU stall (after the warning triggers) since RCU
would wait forever.

Were you thinking it is not worth doing this? I thought we wanted to remove
the reundant rcu_report_qs_rnp here to solidify everyone's understanding of
the code and fail early if there's something misunderstood (since such
misunderstanding could mean there are other hidden bugs somewhere). The
counter-argument to that being, making the code robust is more important for
the large production failure scenario where failures are costly.

thanks,

 - Joel


> 							Thanx, Paul
> 
> > +	 */
> > +	if (WARN_ON_ONCE(rnp->qsmask & mask)) { /* RCU waiting on incoming CPU? */
> >  		rcu_disable_urgency_upon_qs(rdp);
> >  		/* Report QS -after- changing ->qsmaskinitnext! */
> >  		rcu_report_qs_rnp(mask, rnp, rnp->gp_seq, flags);
> > -- 
> > 2.28.0.236.gb10cc79966-goog
> >