Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 16:12:24 -0400 (EDT)
From: Gerhard Mack <gmack@innerfire.net>
To: linux cbon <linuxcbon@yahoo.fr>
cc: Thierry Vignaud <tvignaud@mandriva.com>, helge.hafting@aitel.hist.no,
       Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: replacing X Window System !
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You have also just made it easy for the rest of us to tell that you don't=
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actually follow linux GUI stuff very much at all.  If you had you would=20
have known that the X folks finally went too far and forced a long needed=
=20
fork of the X code so the real work is being done on X.org=20
now and these days most of the good linux distros have changed over. =20

This is *not* a recent event.

Welcome to my killfile, please find a less annoying hobby for yourself.

=09Gerhard


On Thu, 18 May 2006, linux cbon wrote:

> Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 21:31:08 +0200 (CEST)
> From: linux cbon <linuxcbon@yahoo.fr>
> To: Thierry Vignaud <tvignaud@mandriva.com>
> Cc: helge.hafting@aitel.hist.no, Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu,
>     linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
> Subject: Re: replacing X Window System !
>=20
>  --- Thierry Vignaud <tvignaud@mandriva.com> a =E9crit :
>=20
> > linux cbon <linuxcbon@yahoo.fr> writes:
> >=20
> > > Why dont we have "good" 3D support in X ?
> >=20
> > no documentation how to program nvidia 3d chips?
> > or for the very latest ati chips?
> > or from the XYZ vendor?
> > ....
>=20
>=20
> What do you think about this :
>=20
> http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=3Dopenbsd-misc&m=3D114738577123893&w=3D2
>=20
> But let me be clear -- the X developers are a bunch of
> shameless vendor-loving lapdogs who sure are taking
> their time at solving this > 10 year old problem!=20
> They spend way more time chasing the latest vendor
> binary loaded device driver, than they do solving this
> obvious
> problem.  (Translation: They don't want to change how
> X works, because it would break the vendor binary
> drivers from ATI and NVIDIA.  That is part of what
> happens when X developers get jobs at vendors).
>=20
> They've had 10 years, and yet every year they get more
> entrenched in the entirely insecure model of "gigantic
> process running as root, which accesses registers like
> mad".
>=20
> This problem is ENTIRELY the X group's fault!  They
> have failed us. Ten years ago they were laughing at
> Microsoft for moving their video subsystem into their
> kernel, but now the joke is on the X developers,
> because what Microsoft did solved all these driver
> security problems!
>=20
> This is 100% an X server bug.  It is not a hardware
> bug, and it is not an operating system bug.
>=20
>=20
> and this
>=20
> http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=3Dopenbsd-misc&m=3D114233317926101&w=3D2
>=20
> Some of our architectures use a tricky and horrid
> thing to allow X to run.  This is due to modern PC
> video card architecture containing a large quantity of
> PURE EVIL.  To get around this evil the X developers
> have done some rather expedient things, such as
> directly accessing the cards via IO registers,
> directly from userland.  It is hard to see how they
> could have done other -- that is how much evil the
> cards contain.
>=20
>=20
> > "belong to the OS" !=3D "belong in the kernel"
> > and where do you put the boundary of the OS? most
> > people don't say
> > that the OS is only the kernel...
>=20
> Dont play with words. You know I meant graphics do
> belong to the kernel. I didnt mean graphics belong to
> gnu tools.
>=20
>=20
> > like if xorg wasn't trying to improve x11 status
> > (slowly trying to
> > isolate priviliged stuff, introducing xcb, ...)
>=20
> See above.
>=20
>=20
> > > What is your opinion ?=20
> >=20
> > stop troll^h^h^h^h^h thread?
>=20
> If I am a troll, then who are Theo or Linus ?
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
> Thanks
>=20
>=20
> =09
>=20
> =09
> =09=09
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