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From:   Julia Lawall <julia.lawall@inria.fr>
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Subject: Re: [Cocci] [PATCH] usb: atm: don't use snprintf() for sysfs attrs
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On Thu, 27 Aug 2020, Joe Perches wrote:

> On Thu, 2020-08-27 at 15:48 +0100, Alex Dewar wrote:
> > On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 03:41:06PM +0200, Rasmus Villemoes wrote:
> > > On 27/08/2020 15.18, Alex Dewar wrote:
> > > > On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 09:15:37AM +0200, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote:
> > > > > On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 08:42:06AM +0200, Rasmus Villemoes wrote:
> > > > > > On 25/08/2020 00.23, Alex Dewar wrote:
> > > > > > > kernel/cpu.c: don't use snprintf() for sysfs attrs
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > As per the documentation (Documentation/filesystems/sysfs.rst),
> > > > > > > snprintf() should not be used for formatting values returned by sysfs.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Can we have a sysfs_sprintf() (could just be a macro that does sprintf)
> > > > > > to make it clear to the next reader that we know we're in a sysfs show
> > > > > > method? It would make auditing uses of sprintf() much easier.
> > > > >
> > > > > Code churn to keep code checkers quiet for pointless reasons?  What
> > > > > could go wrong with that...
> > >
> > > I did not (mean to) suggest replacing existing sprintf() calls in sysfs
> > > show methods. But when changes _are_ being made, such as when replacing
> > > snprintf() calls for whatever reasons, can we please not make it harder
> > > for people doing manual audits (those are "code checkers" as well, I
> > > suppose, but they do tend to only make noise when finding something).
> > >
> > > > > It should be pretty obvious to any reader that you are in a sysfs show
> > > > > method, as almost all of them are trivially tiny and obvious.
> > >
> > > git grep doesn't immediately show that, not even with a suitable -C
> > > argument, as you can't really know the potential callers unless you open
> > > the file and see that the function is only assigned as a .show method.
> > > And even that can be a pain because it's all hidden behind five levels
> > > of magic macros that build identifiers with ##.
> > >
> > > > Perhaps I should have mentioned this in the commit message, but the problem
> > > > is that snprintf() doesn't return the number of bytes written to the
> > > > destination buffer,
> > >
> > > I'm perfectly well aware of that, TYVM (you may want to 'git log
> > > --author Villemoes lib/vsprintf.c').
> > >
> > >  but the number of bytes that *would have been written if
> > > > they fitted*, which may be more than the bounds specified [1]. So "return
> > > > snprintf(...)" for sysfs attributes is an antipattern. If you need bounded
> > > > string ops, scnprintf() is the way to go. Using snprintf() can give a
> > > > false sense of security, because it isn't necessarily safe.
> > >
> > > Huh? This all seems utterly irrelevant WRT a change that replaces
> > > PAGE_SIZE by INT_MAX (because that's what sprintf() is going to pretend
> > > you passed). You get the same return value.
> > >
> > > But I'm not at all concerned about whether one passes the proper buffer
> > > size or not in sysfs show methods; with my embedded hat on, I'm all for
> > > saving a few bytes of .text here and there. The problem, as far as I'm
> > > concerned, is merely that adding sprintf() callers makes it harder to
> > > find the problematic sprintf() instances.
> > >
> >
> > Apologies, I think I might have expressed myself poorly, being a kernel noob
> > ;-). I know that this is a stylistic change rather than a functional
> > one -- I meant that I was hoping that it would be helpful to get rid of bad
> > uses of snprintf().
> >
> > I really like your idea of helper methods though :-). If in show()
> > methods we could have something like:
> > 	return sysfs_itoa(buf, i);
> > in place of:
> > 	return sprintf(buf, "%d\n", i);
> >
> > ... then we wouldn't be introducing any new calls to sprintf() as you
> > say, but we'd still be removing a call to snprintf() (which also may be
> > problematic). Plus we'd have type checking on the argument.
> >
> > For returning strings, we could have a bounded and unbounded variant of
> > the function. As it seems like only single values should be returned via
> > sysfs, if we did things this way then it would only be these
> > string-returning functions which could cause buffer overflow problems
> > and kernel devs could focus their attention accordingly...
> >
> > What do people think? I'm happy to have a crack, provided this is
> > actually a sensible thing to do! I'm looking for a newbie-level project
> > to get started with.
>
> Not a bad idea.
>
> Coccinelle should be able to transform the various .show
> methods to something sysfs_ prefixed in a fairly automated
> way.

Something like

identifier f;
fresh identifier = "sysfs" ## f;

may be useful.  Let me know if further help is needed.

julia


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