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Subject: Re: [PATCH] MAINTAINERS: orphan sections with qlogic.com group alias
From:   James Bottomley <jejb@linux.ibm.com>
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To:     Lukas Bulwahn <lukas.bulwahn@gmail.com>
Cc:     Roman Bolshakov <r.bolshakov@yadro.com>,
        "Martin K . Petersen" <martin.petersen@oracle.com>,
        linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org,
        Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
        Anil Gurumurthy <anil.gurumurthy@qlogic.com>,
        Sudarsana Kalluru <sudarsana.kalluru@qlogic.com>,
        linux-spdx@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
        GR-QLogic-Storage-Upstream@marvell.com,
        Arun Easi <aeasi@marvell.com>
Date:   Fri, 28 Aug 2020 08:38:08 -0700
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On Fri, 2020-08-28 at 17:28 +0200, Lukas Bulwahn wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 28 Aug 2020, James Bottomley wrote:
> 
> > On Fri, 2020-08-28 at 15:30 +0200, Lukas Bulwahn wrote:
> > > 
> > > On Fri, 28 Aug 2020, Roman Bolshakov wrote:
> > > 
> > > > On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 09:08:24AM +0200, Lukas Bulwahn wrote:
> > > > > Previous attempts of getting an answer from the qlogic.com
> > > > > group alias, i.e., QLogic-Storage-Upstream@qlogic.com, have
> > > > > remained unanswered; see links below.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Mark those sections Orphan to prepare their deletion or give
> > > > > an actual person a chance to step up to maintain those
> > > > > drivers.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Link: https://lore.kernel.org/linux-spdx/20190606205526.44755
> > > > > 8989
> > > > > @linutronix.de
> > > > > Link: https://lore.kernel.org/linux-spdx/alpine.DEB.2.21.2006
> > > > > 3006
> > > > > 44130.4919@felia
> > > > > Link: https://lore.kernel.org/linux-spdx/alpine.DEB.2.21.2008
> > > > > 2707
> > > > > 40140.31123@felia
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > CC'd Arun,
> > > > 
> > > > I think it's worth to update the alias to:
> > > > 
> > > > GR-QLogic-Storage-Upstream@marvell.com
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > So, if these drivers are not orphans, you can answer Thomas
> > > Gleixner's original email from 2019. If you can quickly ack that
> > > patch set, I am happy to do the donkey work to get this apply
> > > nicely on the current master (please CC me on that response).
> > 
> > I have to wonder what the object is here: to get the problem fixed
> > or to make a public spectacle?
> > 
> 
> Let us get the problem fixed; no spectacle here.
> 
> > Because if the object had been to get the issue fixed, waiting a
> > year before escalating to the SCSI list isn't the best way to
> > achieve outcomes, nor is now demanding that the drivers be orphaned
> > for lack of response to you ... particularly as you've seen the
> > drivers updated over that time if you actually follow kernel
> > releases.
> > 
> 
> I just followed Greg KH's advice; spdx licensing clean-up is not the
> top most priority thing; so it just happened to be laying around for
> a year.  Feel free to ignore this patch and we solve the problem
> instead.

OK, that's the plan then.

> > Qlogic or now Marvell tends to rely somewhat heavily on outsourcing
> > for driver maintenance and support.  Outsourcers, fairly obviously,
> > aren't going to respond to legal issues like this which are outside
> > of their remit.  What needs to happen is that someone needs to find
> > a person
> > within the Qlogic org who can get this fixed ... possibly involving
> > explaining the actual issue along the way.  Would you like us to
> > use
> > our contacts to do that?
> > 
> 
> Yes, I (and I will bet the licensing clean-up janitors) welcome if
> that legal question can be resolved and the kernel can be cleaned up
> from unneeded files.

OK, because of the high turn over at the Qlogic division due to the
takeover, this will take us some time, but we'll try to find the right
people at least to explain the issue to.

James