Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 00:38:03 +0200
From: Jan-Benedict Glaw <jbglaw@lug-owl.de>
To: Lee Revell <rlrevell@joe-job.com>
Cc: Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>,
       Heiko Carstens <heiko.carstens@de.ibm.com>,
       devmazumdar <dev@opensound.com>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: How to check if kernel sources are installed on a system?
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On Sun, 2006-05-28 18:02:53 -0400, Lee Revell <rlrevell@joe-job.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 2006-05-28 at 23:55 +0200, Jan-Benedict Glaw wrote:
> Chicken and egg problem.  Users have hardware and they want to run Linux
> on it.  It's not always feasible for them to verify Linux compatibility
> before they buy.  And some vendors like BenQ even ship a Linux CD with
> their laptops even though the sound doesn't work on any BenQ system -
> they obviously did not even try it.  So we have a large population of
> users who would love to run Linux but can't until we support their
> hardware.

In my world, "we" also contains the user. If a user doesn't want to
eg. re-test with upstream kernels or consider to put other efforts
(like paying developers or learning to code), then re doesn't *really*
want it supported.

> >  If there's a user that *really* wants that hardware supported,
> > then they will put effort into getting it to work, either by helping
> > debugging, hacking or by paying some expert to reverse-engineer an
> > existing driver.
>=20
> There are many users who *really* want their hardware supported but
> don't have the funds or the know-how to do any of these.  Like all of
> these users:
>=20
> https://bugtrack.alsa-project.org/alsa-bug/view.php?id=3D1134

I accept the no-money argument, but not the no-knowledge one. Anybody
can learn, can't they?

MfG, JBG

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