Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1751177AbWE2E7V (ORCPT ); Mon, 29 May 2006 00:59:21 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1751178AbWE2E7V (ORCPT ); Mon, 29 May 2006 00:59:21 -0400 Received: from cantor2.suse.de ([195.135.220.15]:13237 "EHLO mx2.suse.de") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1751177AbWE2E7U (ORCPT ); Mon, 29 May 2006 00:59:20 -0400 From: Neil Brown To: "D. Hazelton" Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 14:58:57 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <17530.32657.869302.621952@cse.unsw.edu.au> Cc: "Jon Smirl" , "Dave Airlie" , "Pavel Machek" , "Alan Cox" , "Kyle Moffett" , "Manu Abraham" , "linux cbon" , "Helge Hafting" , Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: OpenGL-based framebuffer concepts In-Reply-To: message from D. Hazelton on Monday May 29 References: <20060519224056.37429.qmail@web26611.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <200605282316.50916.dhazelton@enter.net> <9e4733910605282105t656b7c11i3809105cf261741@mail.gmail.com> <200605290025.50100.dhazelton@enter.net> X-Mailer: VM 7.19 under Emacs 21.4.1 X-face: v[Gw_3E*Gng}4rRrKRYotwlE?.2|**#s9D > > > There is plenty of work to do on graphics and lots of flame wars too. > > Not by me. I give up - nothing I might do stands a smowballs chance in hell of > surviving in a recognizable form through the web of kernel politics. I must say I find that quite disappointing. It seemed like you had the background knowledge, the enthusiasm and the time to make something happen here, and I think everyone agrees that something needs to happen. You seem to be caught at an impasse between Jon and Dave without a clear idea who is "right" - I know I have no clear idea! I suspect that they are both right and are both wrong, but figuring which bit is which will be tricky. Very. And we really have no tie-breaker mechanism in the kernel - I know Linus is very loathe to play that role. Negotiation, compromise, and persistence are what is needed. I suspect that to make progress you will have to start out by doing something that you don't completely agree with. But that doesn't need to be a loss. It will be both a learning experience and a credibility earning exercise. Maybe if you are really genuine about putting effort into this we should see if something can be arranged to get you to the kernel-summit so that you, Jon, and Dave can yell at each other for a while and come to some understanding:-) Anyway, while I personal cannot offer you any incentives I would implore you: don't give up. At least not yet. NeilBrown - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/