Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S932375AbWHCHrS (ORCPT ); Thu, 3 Aug 2006 03:47:18 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S932376AbWHCHrS (ORCPT ); Thu, 3 Aug 2006 03:47:18 -0400 Received: from thunk.org ([69.25.196.29]:48079 "EHLO thunker.thunk.org") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S932375AbWHCHrR (ORCPT ); Thu, 3 Aug 2006 03:47:17 -0400 Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 03:46:51 -0400 From: Theodore Tso To: David Masover Cc: "Vladimir V. Saveliev" , Andrew Morton , vda.linux@googlemail.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Reiserfs-List@namesys.com Subject: Re: reiser4: maybe just fix bugs? Message-ID: <20060803074651.GA27835@thunk.org> Mail-Followup-To: Theodore Tso , David Masover , "Vladimir V. Saveliev" , Andrew Morton , vda.linux@googlemail.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Reiserfs-List@namesys.com References: <1158166a0607310226m5e134307o8c6bedd1f883479c@mail.gmail.com> <20060801013104.f7557fb1.akpm@osdl.org> <44CEBA0A.3060206@namesys.com> <1154431477.10043.55.camel@tribesman.namesys.com> <20060801073316.ee77036e.akpm@osdl.org> <1154444822.10043.106.camel@tribesman.namesys.com> <44CF879D.1000803@slaphack.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <44CF879D.1000803@slaphack.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: tytso@thunk.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on thunker.thunk.org); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1435 Lines: 32 On Tue, Aug 01, 2006 at 11:55:57AM -0500, David Masover wrote: > > If I understand it right, the original Reiser4 model of file metadata is > the file-as-directory stuff that caused such a furor the last big push > for inclusion (search for "Silent semantic changes in Reiser4"): The furor was caused by concerns Al Viro expressed about locking/deadlock issues that reiser4 introduced. The bigger issue with xattr support is two-fold. First of all, there are the progams that are expecting the existing extended attribute interface, and not implementing it will simply mean that as far as Samba, and other applications, Reiser4 simply will not haved xattr support. More importantly are the system-level extended attributes, such as those used by SELINUX, which by definition are not supposed to be visible to the user at all, but only are supposed to be there for the SELINUX (or some other kernel layer, in general) to access. Not supporting xattrs means that those distro's that use SELINUX by default (i.e., RHEL, Fedora, etc.) won't want to use reiser4, because SELINUX won't work on reiser4 filesytstems. Whether or not Hans cares about this is up to him.... - Ted - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/