Received: by 2002:a05:6a10:22f:0:0:0:0 with SMTP id 15csp610884pxk; Wed, 23 Sep 2020 11:13:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwlVNxPPmC0n20/MoFlxfA2W6ZOYJ2lokTzfykpJwi+dysG3vBdz0wzHaexB5zKDiYFkfJ/ X-Received: by 2002:a17:906:d9c3:: with SMTP id qk3mr873674ejb.207.1600884787350; Wed, 23 Sep 2020 11:13:07 -0700 (PDT) ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; t=1600884787; cv=none; d=google.com; s=arc-20160816; b=0ggEezXDSA4W0YNAN91sg2T59nKH8zcv2QQ5VzgOGPuo/F2auI2e83FSCaXIukj9Ik DZoZGPB+LD9f4qcjDLWnmSqTdm7YnGRBalSqdlKmYmqdWpDZy92AGWPDGqxqotWgTfEh e7vARjfEGAKy3F/7eH4/rHQD/Rzs9IndOlAX+983OPSxECoTf/RYvwoKqvSmKJ+b9l28 AEXqMiEaUH9Qe16mVFEVh7lbm5VafJi9w/c/JXUMuWYAndFJsrrsagAJreFUqhA19G62 zYux9xEvIY99xLoeCCXaeIM6gREi2+mf/0b3LCLQa+Bzov/wMr71O2OvwsLMzUoV3tN9 eHKw== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=arc-20160816; h=list-id:precedence:user-agent:in-reply-to:content-disposition :mime-version:references:message-id:subject:cc:to:from:date; bh=OsITgs4UmOnPw8JjMdsZzNCTnMkPDeZfy2pmCdyCOWo=; b=bbs+0sUC6CXbT30ZQMmIet8DwmPVhiP70VooqBrHCD2U+VmkL42ahSB7yAAr739DUI 6Nc4gEGdE9AmrYo6QrGljb/+oOi8BE6MwsXgU8uS8OvWXNO6Xxzvwz/N3Tpk08My0HSq GsIMtcN1oA0uDbFqJRRK+DyJTU3S8c1yU6MEiH+x7i1Vdu38aD/f6GBC5jNfJr/eRqJP 8LvCXGWA40xB5brlw43f+2bK8eCAhLz5t2csBCOD2cOzKJ/0xMMIFlknHqw9EUG1ApQJ gowskwPBwD2iJ+EJdyfp+S6QrWf1NrVYBviy4iXBGYR7WatBgE39r19c4A7r07h8tHgw KSZQ== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 23.128.96.18 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Return-Path: Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org. [23.128.96.18]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id p25si376060ejw.682.2020.09.23.11.12.42; Wed, 23 Sep 2020 11:13:07 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 23.128.96.18 as permitted sender) client-ip=23.128.96.18; Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 23.128.96.18 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1726604AbgIWSLm (ORCPT + 99 others); Wed, 23 Sep 2020 14:11:42 -0400 Received: from mother.openwall.net ([195.42.179.200]:60274 "HELO mother.openwall.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with SMTP id S1726476AbgIWSLl (ORCPT ); Wed, 23 Sep 2020 14:11:41 -0400 Received: (qmail 8044 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2020 18:11:39 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO pvt.openwall.com) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 23 Sep 2020 18:11:39 -0000 Received: by pvt.openwall.com (Postfix, from userid 503) id 73B4DAB844; Wed, 23 Sep 2020 20:11:36 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2020 20:11:36 +0200 From: Solar Designer To: Florian Weimer Cc: Pavel Machek , madvenka@linux.microsoft.com, kernel-hardening@lists.openwall.com, linux-api@vger.kernel.org, linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-integrity@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org, oleg@redhat.com, x86@kernel.org, luto@kernel.org, David.Laight@ACULAB.COM, mark.rutland@arm.com, mic@digikod.net, Rich Felker Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 0/4] [RFC] Implement Trampoline File Descriptor Message-ID: <20200923181136.GA8846@openwall.com> References: <20200922215326.4603-1-madvenka@linux.microsoft.com> <20200923081426.GA30279@amd> <20200923091456.GA6177@openwall.com> <87wo0ko8v0.fsf@oldenburg2.str.redhat.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <87wo0ko8v0.fsf@oldenburg2.str.redhat.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 04:39:31PM +0200, Florian Weimer wrote: > * Solar Designer: > > > While I share my opinion here, I don't mean that to block Madhavan's > > work. I'd rather defer to people more knowledgeable in current userland > > and ABI issues/limitations and plans on dealing with those, especially > > to Florian Weimer. I haven't seen Florian say anything specific for or > > against Madhavan's proposal, and I'd like to. (Have I missed that?) [...] > I think it's unnecessary for the libffi use case. [...] > I don't know if kernel support could > make sense in this context, but it would be a completely different > patch. Thanks. Are there currently relevant use cases where the proposed trampfd would be useful and likely actually made use of by userland - e.g., specific userland project developers saying they'd use it, or Madhavan intending to develop and contribute userland patches? Alexander