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From:   Tycho Andersen <tycho@tycho.pizza>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 5/6] mm: secretmem: use PMD-size pages to amortize
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On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 11:31:14AM +0100, Mark Rutland wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Sorry to come to this so late; I've been meaning to provide feedback on
> this for a while but have been indisposed for a bit due to an injury.
> 
> On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 11:50:29AM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 11:00:30AM +0200, David Hildenbrand wrote:
> > > On 25.09.20 09:41, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > > > On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 04:29:03PM +0300, Mike Rapoport wrote:
> > > >> From: Mike Rapoport <rppt@linux.ibm.com>
> > > >>
> > > >> Removing a PAGE_SIZE page from the direct map every time such page is
> > > >> allocated for a secret memory mapping will cause severe fragmentation of
> > > >> the direct map. This fragmentation can be reduced by using PMD-size pages
> > > >> as a pool for small pages for secret memory mappings.
> > > >>
> > > >> Add a gen_pool per secretmem inode and lazily populate this pool with
> > > >> PMD-size pages.
> > > > 
> > > > What's the actual efficacy of this? Since the pmd is per inode, all I
> > > > need is a lot of inodes and we're in business to destroy the directmap,
> > > > no?
> > > > 
> > > > Afaict there's no privs needed to use this, all a process needs is to
> > > > stay below the mlock limit, so a 'fork-bomb' that maps a single secret
> > > > page will utterly destroy the direct map.
> > > > 
> > > > I really don't like this, at all.
> > > 
> > > As I expressed earlier, I would prefer allowing allocation of secretmem
> > > only from a previously defined CMA area. This would physically locally
> > > limit the pain.
> > 
> > Given that this thing doesn't have a migrate hook, that seems like an
> > eminently reasonable contraint. Because not only will it mess up the
> > directmap, it will also destroy the ability of the page-allocator /
> > compaction to re-form high order blocks by sprinkling holes throughout.
> > 
> > Also, this is all very close to XPFO, yet I don't see that mentioned
> > anywhere.
> 
> Agreed. I think if we really need something like this, something between
> XPFO and DEBUG_PAGEALLOC would be generally better, since:

Perhaps we can brainstorm on this? XPFO has mostly been abandoned
because there's no good/safe way to make it faster. There was work on
eliminating TLB flushes, but that waters down the protection. When I
was last thinking about it in anger, it just seemed like it was
destined to be slow, especially on $large_num_cores machines, since
you have to flush everyone else's map too.

I think the idea of "opt in to XPFO" is mostly attractive because then
people only have to pay the slowness cost for memory they really care
about. But if there's some way to make XPFO, or some alternative
design, that may be better.

Tycho