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Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <8f3fce56-fdc4-c248-05ec-4fda1ee6fc54@infradead.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-bounce-key: webpack.hosteurope.de;linux@leemhuis.info;1601710036;4f227dbf; X-HE-SMSGID: 1kObwl-0001uZ-2q Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Randy, many thanks for looking through this, you feedback is much appreciated! Consider all the obvious spelling and grammatical mistakes you pointed out fixed, I won't mention all of them in this reply to keep things easier to follow. Am 02.10.20 um 04:32 schrieb Randy Dunlap: > On 10/1/20 1:39 AM, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote: > […] >> +`_ >> +how developers of that particular area expect to be told about issues; note, > for how > ? Not sure myself, but I guess you're right and thus followed your advice :-D > […] >> +Make sure to use a vanilla kernel and avert any add-on kernel modules externally >> +developed; also ensure the kernel is running in a healthy environment and does >> +not 'taint' itself before the issue occurs. If you can reproduce it, write a > > I don't care for "does not 'taint' itself". How about > and is not > already tainted before the issue occurs. Hmmm, what I wanted to bring across: the kernel is not tainted when it arrives, it taints itself after it was started. You suggestion removes that intention, but now that I read my text again I notice it wasn't really good at it either. Ohh well, I guess I go with your suggestion, as it seems bringing that point over it asking for too much here. > […] >> +You can't reproduce an issue with mainline you want to see fixed in older >> +version lines? Then make sure the line you care about still gets support. >> +Install its latest release as vanilla kernel. If you can reproduce the issue > > Is "vanilla" well understood? I'd say for the TLDR using it without and explanation is fine. But the main section didn't prominently mention it, that why I added the first step slightly and added this: This kernel must not be modified or enhanced in any way and thus be 'vanilla'. Ciao, Thorsten