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Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC v2 0/6] Break heap spraying needed for exploiting
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On Tue, Oct 06, 2020 at 01:44:14AM +0100, Matthew Wilcox wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 06, 2020 at 12:56:33AM +0200, Jann Horn wrote:
> > It seems to me like, if you want to make UAF exploitation harder at
> > the heap allocator layer, you could do somewhat more effective things
> > with a probably much smaller performance budget. Things like
> > preventing the reallocation of virtual kernel addresses with different
> > types, such that an attacker can only replace a UAF object with
> > another object of the same type. (That is not an idea I like very much
> > either, but I would like it more than this proposal.) (E.g. some
> > browsers implement things along those lines, I believe.)
> 
> The slab allocator already has that functionality.  We call it
> TYPESAFE_BY_RCU, but if forcing that on by default would enhance security
> by a measurable amount, it wouldn't be a terribly hard sell ...

Isn't the "easy" version of this already controlled by slab_merge? (i.e.
do not share same-sized/flagged kmem_caches between different caches)

The large trouble are the kmalloc caches, which don't have types
associated with them. Having implicit kmem caches based on the type
being allocated there would need some pretty extensive plumbing, I
think?

-- 
Kees Cook