Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1751111AbWHIQRy (ORCPT ); Wed, 9 Aug 2006 12:17:54 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1751116AbWHIQRy (ORCPT ); Wed, 9 Aug 2006 12:17:54 -0400 Received: from mx1.mail.ru ([194.67.23.121]:17969 "EHLO mx1.mail.ru") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1751111AbWHIQRy (ORCPT ); Wed, 9 Aug 2006 12:17:54 -0400 Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 19:17:48 +0300 From: Sergei Steshenko To: Sam Ravnborg Cc: Benoit Fouet , Gene Heskett , alsa-user@lists.sourceforge.net, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: [Alsa-user] another in kernel alsa update that breaks backward compatibilty? Message-ID: <20060809191748.7550edaa@comp.home.net> In-Reply-To: <20060809160043.GA12571@mars.ravnborg.org> References: <200608091140.02777.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <20060809184658.2bdfb169@comp.home.net> <44DA05C9.5050600@purplelabs.com> <20060809160043.GA12571@mars.ravnborg.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 2.1.0 (GTK+ 2.8.3; i586-mandriva-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1565 Lines: 46 On Wed, 9 Aug 2006 18:00:43 +0200 Sam Ravnborg wrote: > On Wed, Aug 09, 2006 at 05:56:57PM +0200, Benoit Fouet wrote: > > > > > >Demand stable ABI. > > > > > > > > > > > sorry for the noise, but it's been a while now since i began reading > > mails from this list, and i must admit i don't always (never?) see the > > point of such messages... > > if you can help me understand, i'll be very happy to get something more > > detailed from you... > Documentation/stable_api_nonsense.txt > > Sam > I love senselessness and technical incompetence of the document. As I was taught at school, to prove that a statement is wrong one has to prove that it is wrong once. Regardless of what the document says stable ABI can be achieved today - run a chosen Linux kernel version + chosen ALSA version under XEN or similar, and assign sound card to these (chosen Linux kernel version + chosen ALSA version). Redirect sound ('ncat' + friends) to this (chosen Linux kernel version + chosen ALSA version) from your kernel in which developers refuse to ensure stable ABI. Because of the chosen (kernel+ALSA) you have stable ABI regardless of what Documentation/stable_api_nonsense.txt says and ALSA + kernel developers think. --Sergei. -- Visit my http://appsfromscratch.berlios.de/ open source project. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/