Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1751148AbWHIQg0 (ORCPT ); Wed, 9 Aug 2006 12:36:26 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1751151AbWHIQg0 (ORCPT ); Wed, 9 Aug 2006 12:36:26 -0400 Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com ([66.249.82.226]:52185 "EHLO wx-out-0506.google.com") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1751018AbWHIQgZ (ORCPT ); Wed, 9 Aug 2006 12:36:25 -0400 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=PpNTNulHbMNX6p35/lVEo9IXxX+yN7Lz2h/rbKFbIHLSIwt40RJFjkT6myBwa3bvni2AOOJQbXUIDzv39NdokAhRLWN7Y4K2914RcnJ+L8+Hf6LQnOBaIrw2inISWPB2wHcFknXds6xkIXU0zbQJ8sV7/DbPWNcQCvNcAZxUp2w= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 12:36:23 -0400 From: "Dmitry Torokhov" To: "Sergei Steshenko" Subject: Re: [Alsa-user] another in kernel alsa update that breaks backward compatibilty? Cc: "Sam Ravnborg" , "Benoit Fouet" , "Gene Heskett" , alsa-user@lists.sourceforge.net, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org In-Reply-To: <20060809191748.7550edaa@comp.home.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <200608091140.02777.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <20060809184658.2bdfb169@comp.home.net> <44DA05C9.5050600@purplelabs.com> <20060809160043.GA12571@mars.ravnborg.org> <20060809191748.7550edaa@comp.home.net> Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1833 Lines: 53 On 8/9/06, Sergei Steshenko wrote: > On Wed, 9 Aug 2006 18:00:43 +0200 > Sam Ravnborg wrote: > > > On Wed, Aug 09, 2006 at 05:56:57PM +0200, Benoit Fouet wrote: > > > > > > > >Demand stable ABI. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sorry for the noise, but it's been a while now since i began reading > > > mails from this list, and i must admit i don't always (never?) see the > > > point of such messages... > > > if you can help me understand, i'll be very happy to get something more > > > detailed from you... > > Documentation/stable_api_nonsense.txt > > > > Sam > > > > I love senselessness and technical incompetence of the document. > > As I was taught at school, to prove that a statement is wrong one > has to prove that it is wrong once. > Yep, the only trick is that you need a valid proof ;) > Regardless of what the document says stable ABI can be achieved > today - run a chosen Linux kernel version + chosen ALSA version under XEN or > similar, and assign sound card to these (chosen Linux kernel version + > chosen ALSA version). > > Redirect sound ('ncat' + friends) to this (chosen Linux kernel version + > chosen ALSA version) from your kernel in which developers refuse > to ensure stable ABI. > > Because of the chosen (kernel+ALSA) you have stable ABI regardless > of what Documentation/stable_api_nonsense.txt says and ALSA + kernel > developers think. > You are confused. By your logic you do not need XEN at all - just take a kernel version + alsa and never change/update it - and viola! "stable" ABI. -- Dmitry - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/