Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1161061AbWHJGLH (ORCPT ); Thu, 10 Aug 2006 02:11:07 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1161060AbWHJGLG (ORCPT ); Thu, 10 Aug 2006 02:11:06 -0400 Received: from amsfep17-int.chello.nl ([213.46.243.15]:51899 "EHLO amsfep20-int.chello.nl") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1161057AbWHJGLE (ORCPT ); Thu, 10 Aug 2006 02:11:04 -0400 Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH 0/9] Network receive deadlock prevention for NBD From: Peter Zijlstra To: David Miller Cc: johnpol@2ka.mipt.ru, linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org, phillips@google.com In-Reply-To: <20060809.165431.118952392.davem@davemloft.net> References: <1155127040.12225.25.camel@twins> <20060809130752.GA17953@2ka.mipt.ru> <1155130353.12225.53.camel@twins> <20060809.165431.118952392.davem@davemloft.net> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 08:06:28 +0200 Message-Id: <1155189988.12225.100.camel@twins> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.91 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1373 Lines: 29 On Wed, 2006-08-09 at 16:54 -0700, David Miller wrote: > From: Peter Zijlstra > Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2006 15:32:33 +0200 > > > The idea is to drop all !NFS packets (or even more specific only > > keep those NFS packets that belong to the critical mount), and > > everybody doing critical IO over layered networks like IPSec or > > other tunnel constructs asks for trouble - Just DON'T do that. > > People are doing I/O over IP exactly for it's ubiquity and > flexibility. It seems a major limitation of the design if you cancel > out major components of this flexibility. We're not, that was a bit of my own frustration leaking out; I think this whole push to IP based storage is a bit silly. I'm just not going to help the admin who's server just hangs because his VPN key expired. Running critical resources remotely like this is tricky, and every hop/layer you put in between increases the risk of something going bad. The only setup I think even remotely sane is a dedicated network in the very same room - not unlike FC but cheaper (which I think is the whole push behind this, eth is cheap) - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/