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From:   Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>
Date:   Mon, 26 Oct 2020 16:54:07 +0100
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Subject: Re: [PATCH] fix scheduler regression from "sched/fair: Rework load_balance()"
To:     Rik van Riel <riel@surriel.com>
Cc:     Chris Mason <clm@fb.com>, Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
        Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
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On Mon, 26 Oct 2020 at 16:42, Vincent Guittot
<vincent.guittot@linaro.org> wrote:
>
> On Mon, 26 Oct 2020 at 16:04, Rik van Riel <riel@surriel.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, 2020-10-26 at 15:56 +0100, Vincent Guittot wrote:
> > > On Mon, 26 Oct 2020 at 15:38, Rik van Riel <riel@surriel.com> wrote:
> > > > On Mon, 2020-10-26 at 15:24 +0100, Vincent Guittot wrote:
> > > > > Le lundi 26 oct. 2020 =C3=A0 08:45:27 (-0400), Chris Mason a =C3=
=A9crit :
> > > > > > On 26 Oct 2020, at 4:39, Vincent Guittot wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi Chris
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Sat, 24 Oct 2020 at 01:49, Chris Mason <clm@fb.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > Hi everyone,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > We=E2=80=99re validating a new kernel in the fleet, and com=
pared
> > > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > v5.2,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Which version are you using ?
> > > > > > > several improvements have been added since v5.5 and the
> > > > > > > rework of
> > > > > > > load_balance
> > > > > >
> > > > > > We=E2=80=99re validating v5.6, but all of the numbers reference=
d in
> > > > > > this
> > > > > > patch are
> > > > > > against v5.9.  I usually try to back port my way to victory on
> > > > > > this
> > > > > > kind of
> > > > > > thing, but mainline seems to behave exactly the same as
> > > > > > 0b0695f2b34a wrt
> > > > > > this benchmark.
> > > > >
> > > > > ok. Thanks for the confirmation
> > > > >
> > > > > I have been able to reproduce the problem on my setup.
> > > > >
> > > > > Could you try the fix below ?
> > > > >
> > > > > --- a/kernel/sched/fair.c
> > > > > +++ b/kernel/sched/fair.c
> > > > > @@ -9049,7 +9049,8 @@ static inline void
> > > > > calculate_imbalance(struct
> > > > > lb_env *env, struct sd_lb_stats *s
> > > > >          * emptying busiest.
> > > > >          */
> > > > >         if (local->group_type =3D=3D group_has_spare) {
> > > > > -               if (busiest->group_type > group_fully_busy) {
> > > > > +               if ((busiest->group_type > group_fully_busy) &&
> > > > > +                   (busiest->group_weight > 1)) {
> > > > >                         /*
> > > > >                          * If busiest is overloaded, try to fill
> > > > > spare
> > > > >                          * capacity. This might end up creating
> > > > > spare
> > > > > capacity
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > When we calculate an imbalance at te smallest level, ie between
> > > > > CPUs
> > > > > (group_weight =3D=3D 1),
> > > > > we should try to spread tasks on cpus instead of trying to fill
> > > > > spare
> > > > > capacity.
> > > >
> > > > Should we also spread tasks when balancing between
> > > > multi-threaded CPU cores on the same socket?
> > >
> > > My explanation is probably misleading. In fact we already try to
> > > spread tasks. we just use spare capacity instead of nr_running when
> > > there is more than 1 CPU in the group and the group is overloaded.
> > > Using spare capacity is a bit more conservative because it tries to
> > > not pull more utilization than spare capacity
> >
> > Could utilization estimates be off, either lagging or
> > simply having a wrong estimate for a task, resulting
> > in no task getting pulled sometimes, while doing a
> > migrate_task imbalance always moves over something?
>
> task and cpu utilization are not always up to fully synced and may lag
> a bit which explains that sometimes LB can fail to migrate for a small
> diff

And also from util_est which reports the max utilization of the task
to be sure that LB migrates a task on a cpu that will have enough
available capacity

>
> >
> > Within an LLC we might not need to worry too much
> > about spare capacity, considering select_idle_sibling
> > doesn't give a hoot about capacity, either.
> >
> > --
> > All Rights Reversed.