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Date:   Tue, 27 Oct 2020 11:11:33 +0000
From:   Qais Yousef <qais.yousef@arm.com>
To:     Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
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        Viresh Kumar <viresh.kumar@linaro.org>,
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Subject: Re: default cpufreq gov, was: [PATCH] sched/fair: check for idle core
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On 10/22/20 14:02, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 01:45:25PM +0200, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
> > On Thursday, October 22, 2020 12:47:03 PM CEST Viresh Kumar wrote:
> > > On 22-10-20, 09:11, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > > > Well, but we need to do something to force people onto schedutil,
> > > > otherwise we'll get more crap like this thread.
> > > > 
> > > > Can we take the choice away? Only let Kconfig select which governors are
> > > > available and then set the default ourselves? I mean, the end goal being
> > > > to not have selectable governors at all, this seems like a good step
> > > > anyway.
> > > 
> > > Just to clarify and complete the point a bit here, the users can still
> > > pass the default governor from cmdline using
> > > cpufreq.default_governor=, which will take precedence over the one the
> > > below code is playing with. And later once the kernel is up, they can
> > > still choose a different governor from userspace.
> > 
> > Right.
> > 
> > Also some people simply set "performance" as the default governor and then
> > don't touch cpufreq otherwise (the idea is to get everything to the max
> > freq right away and stay in that mode forever).  This still needs to be
> > possible IMO.
> 
> Performance/powersave make sense to keep.
> 
> However I do want to retire ondemand, conservative and also very much
> intel_pstate/active mode. I also have very little sympathy for
> userspace.

Userspace is useful for testing and sanity checking. Not sure if people use it
to measure voltage/current at each frequency to generate
dynamic-power-coefficient for their platform. Lukasz, Dietmar?

Thanks

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Qais Yousef

> 
> We should start by making it hard to use them and eventually just delete
> them outright.
>